When your a losing player

[cincy_kid24]

When yu have played cards for a long time, what are the tell-tale signs that yu are a losing player? I have been playing small-stakes holdem for the past three years. I have studied WLLH, SSHE, HFORAP, on this forum, an incredible amount of Cardplayer articles and my own thinking on the game and I have come to the conclusion that I am a losing player no only b/c of possibly none to limited success that I have had but because I havent booked a win at the casino or online over the past several months. When I have the best hand I lose and when I have teh worst hand I lose, I can get lucky and I cant play correctly and win. I have played against the biggest jerks who win my money every time and have no idea how they're doing it and I have played against players who actually know what they're doing and they still take my money but at least they have figured out why. Any semblance of a game I once had has been shattered to death with my impression of the game at the moment which is not very good. It now brings out the worst in me every time I sit down and I beleive now is a good time to quit b/c I cant take any more bad beats or good beats b/c that is all I do at the poker table is get beat.
And it really sucks b/c I do love the game but I am obviously missing something. After studying and reading as much as I have I have come to the conlcusion that all those books are total bullshit, they dont apply to anything. They dont help you be successful they just help you think that you can be successful so you can dump your cash to luckiest s.o.b at the table.
Bad beats over the past two weeks - JJ's, raise, total station calls with a 76o and flops a straight, i pay him off.
1010, raise, total station calls w/ a 52o and flops inside strait draw, makes it on the turn after I went all in and he called without hesitation.
AJo shorthanded, raise, opponent reraises w/ KJo and I call, he hits a running two-pair and screams "YES" as if he did the right thing
KQo, same game, opponent calls w/ K9o and hits the 9 on the turn to knock me out.

The game of poker is [censored] joke. If you think otherwise your just fooling yourself.

[UATrewqaz]

Stop playing it and save your money.

Those are bad beats. They happen to everyone. However, in each case, it appears as though you made a mistake - and you admit as such.

"JJ's, raise, total station calls with a 76o and flops a straight, i pay him off." - well, you know that this was a mistake

"1010, raise, total station calls w/ a 52o and flops inside strait draw, makes it on the turn after I went all in and he called without hesitation." - you went all in with a pair of tens and what was clearly garbage on the flop - why?

"AJo shorthanded, raise, opponent reraises w/ KJo and I call, he hits a running two-pair and screams "YES" as if he did the right thing" - how much worse was his re-raise than your raise?

"KQo, same game, opponent calls w/ K9o and hits the 9 on the turn to knock me out." - you got knocked out with KQo - that is your fault since that is not a particularly strong hand.

From these examples, it appears that you are simply not a strong player - certainly not strong enough to be playing at the levels you appear to be playing at.

YOUR problem seems to be that you thought that having read some books that you were ready for the big time - when, in fact, all those books do is prepare you for the small time - only once you can beat the small stakes should you move up - only once you have built a bankroll and have mastered the basic plays - which, clearly, is not the case yet.

[Reef]

good job not using the r****d word

[cincy_kid24]

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"1010, raise, total station calls w/ a 52o and flops inside strait draw, makes it on the turn after I went all in and he called without hesitation." - you went all in with a pair of tens and what was clearly garbage on the flop - why?


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i had the best hand and didnt want him to draw out, which he did
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"AJo shorthanded, raise, opponent reraises w/ KJo and I call, he hits a running two-pair and screams "YES" as if he did the right thing" - how much worse was his re-raise than your raise?

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Your saying my raising w/ the best hand was the wrong play? I dont understand
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"KQo, same game, opponent calls w/ K9o and hits the 9 on the turn to knock me out." - you got knocked out with KQo - that is your fault since that is not a particularly strong hand.

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I had about 20 - 1 chip deficit after taking the AJ beat, what would yu do w/ KQ?
The more you talk bro the less yu make sense
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"KQo, same game, opponent calls w/ K9o and hits the 9 on the turn to knock me out." - you got knocked out with KQo - that is your fault since that is not a particularly strong hand.

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yu mean small stakes holdem, like i originally stated. I have enough bankroll to afford 2-4 and 3-6, you're preaching to teh choir about bankroll management.
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YOUR problem seems to be that you thought that having read some books that you were ready for the big time

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You should actually read OP b/f responding, 2-4, 3-6 GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD

[cincy_kid24]

Oh and by the way I just got sucked out (again)in a 10+1 sng on Stars
I have AKs against AJ. Im in EP raise 4x, reraised by loose player w/ AJo (we're on the bubble for money)
flop = x J K, turn = J river = x
Please try anfd explain why your so damned special and im the shithead who always takes the beats. You want to call me a weak player fine, but please explain to me why making that play makes me a weak player. Are strong players better at getting lucky?
More than anything I hate how this game has drained my love for cardplaying, it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about regrouping and starting over with a positive mindset, i know for a fact it will be shattered by the complete illusion that is poker. Sickness just complete sickness right now

Great. Another gimmick account.

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When your a losing player

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Try loosing insted of losing, it goes well with your your.

[Mayhap]

It's not just a river in Egypt.

[Xhad]

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You should actually read OP b/f responding, 2-4, 3-6 GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD

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While I don't agree with everything Scorpio said, if you think that "I can afford it" is a valid reason to play differently at lower stakes, then either you aren't playing to win or you don't know what you're talking about.

.5/1 is mathematically the same game as 1000/2000.

First of all, you mentioned "going all in" in your hands, which I assumed to mean you were playing NL - perhaps these are tournaments? It wasn't clear.

The point I was trying to make in all my comments was simply that, other than the first situation, none of those seem like particularly bad beats - AJo losing to KJo, KQo losing to K9o - you lost to hands that were only marginally worse than your own hands - and that happens all the time - the first one was a simple case of you betting into someone who didn't know what they were doing - about 80% of the time, you would win in that situation.

The JJ vs. flopped straight - well, you probably knew you were beat as soon as he started betting.

So all I was trying to point out is that these are not particularly bad beats - they are just the nature of the game. No book out there and no amount of experience is going to change the fact that sometimes, the marginally worse hand wins.