Check behind on the turn?

Pharity · #1 11-02-2005, 09:51 AM

Ok, chew on this one:

Villain is relatively unknown, he has played tight so far though. Thats all i know.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?..

Everyone wants to bet?

AaronS · #2 11-02-2005, 10:11 AM

I think it is close between betting and checking, but I would probalby just go ahead and bet. Even if you get check-raised, you probably have 14 or so outs, and you'd hate to give him a free card if he has a gut-shot.

Pharity · #3 11-02-2005, 10:57 AM

But is really a gut shot that likely? It seems to me that free cards isn't that big of a threat.

Solid_p · #4 11-02-2005, 11:03 AM

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But is really a gut shot that likely? It seems to me that free cards isn't that big of a threat.

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In a small pot, they aren't much of a threat. So giving a free cards is not that bad here. But if the player isn't so tight, you might be missing a value bet.

ErrantNight · #5 11-02-2005, 12:05 PM

the bet is for value. your large equity protects you from a turn c/r.

#6 11-02-2005, 10:11 AM

It’s a small pot, I’m checking and folding to the turn bet. What can SB have that you beat if he’s calling a raise and a bet on the flop. 99-JJ? Maybe 4 Qxs hands (QJ, QT, Q9, Q8), but that’s unlikely if he’s tight. I’d put him on AK-A10, or 99-JJ, so that’s too many hands that beat you.

My humble opinion…

Solid_p · #7 11-02-2005, 10:37 AM

Just checking the flop? That is truly weak...

I think checking this turn would be alright against a tight player (that wouldn't call without some piece of the flop) with our outs and then calling a river bet ui, since he might be bluffing because of our check / betting a weaker queen.

W. Deranged · #8 11-02-2005, 11:20 AM

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It’s a small pot, I’m checking and folding to the turn bet. What can SB have that you beat if he’s calling a raise and a bet on the flop. 99-JJ? Maybe 4 Qxs hands (QJ, QT, Q9, Q8), but that’s unlikely if he’s tight. I’d put him on AK-A10, or 99-JJ, so that’s too many hands that beat you.

My humble opinion…

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This is really, really weak-tight. I strongly encourage you to:

1. Realize that your opponent's play weak cards, and often their reasoning process would make no sense to you.

2. Realize that hand values become magnified in heads-up pots. This means opponents will often never fold any pair.

3. Appreciate that getting maximum value out of marginal (like, non-top-pair) hands, particularly in heads-up pots, is one of the keys to becoming an expert player. If you move up levels, you will find yourself in situations like this a whole lot, and you need to be looking for value in situations like this.

So, yes, we need to bet this flop.

ErrantNight · #9 11-02-2005, 12:04 PM

he misread the hand, but he's talking about the turn

Nick Royale · #10 11-02-2005, 10:43 AM

I'd hate to get check/raised here, but I bet this turn not expecting to get check/raised very often even when he has us beat. Since I'm planing to invest at least 1 more BB in this pot I think it's better to do that on the turn. The only hands check/raising here is a flush or AQ assuming villain is tight. Sometimes a lone A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] will check/raise too. The read is vague and if villain isn't this tight the bet is correct for other reasons.

The preflop call often suggest villain isn't einstein and I think we should take the opportunity to collect calls from a weaker fd. I take a free sd UI.