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Old 12-23-2005, 01:19 PM
X-Man X-Man is offline
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Default A couple of hands for your critique.....

What I really want to know is what are these players thinking when I raise PF and check raise them allin on a semi bluff.This is not a move I employ a great deal so they can't really have notes on me...


PokerStars Game #3413042558: Tournament #16914224, Hold'em No Limit -
Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/23 - 10:16:51 (ET)
Table '16914224 2' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: GoDaDistance (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: steveiev (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: gtwhale (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: dippo (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: sheerpower (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: *DOSUN*8 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: A_Hamilton (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: whytee5 (1500 in chips)
steveiev: posts small blind 10
gtwhale: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Qc]
dippo has timed out
dippo: folds
dippo is sitting out
sheerpower: calls 20
Hero: raises 40 to 60
*DOSUN*8: folds
A_Hamilton: calls 60
whytee5: folds
GoDaDistance: folds
steveiev: folds
gtwhale: folds
sheerpower: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [7c 8h Kc]
steveiev is sitting out
sheerpower: checks
Hero: checks
A_Hamilton: bets 220
sheerpower: folds
Hero: raises 1220 to 1440 and is all-in
A_Hamilton: calls 1220 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7c 8h Kc] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [7c 8h Kc 2d] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ac Qc] (a pair of Sevens)
A_Hamilton: shows [8c Th] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
A_Hamilton collected 3090 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3090 | Rake 0
Board [7c 8h Kc 2d 7d]
Seat 1: GoDaDistance (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: steveiev (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: gtwhale (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dippo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sheerpower folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Hero showed [Ac Qc] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 7: *DOSUN*8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: A_Hamilton showed [8c Th] and won (3090) with two pair, Eights
and Sevens
Seat 9: whytee5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #3413074059: Tournament #16922818, Hold'em No Limit -
Level I (10/20) - 2005/12/23 - 10:24:32 (ET)
Table '16922818 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: fouf1974 (1530 in chips)
Seat 3: HansLeu (3060 in chips)
Seat 4: onetimer444 (1600 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero(1450 in chips)
Seat 6: rjs9352 (1620 in chips)
Seat 7: usana russ (1200 in chips)
Seat 8: farmhill (1540 in chips)
Seat 9: bignev (1500 in chips)
farmhill: posts small blind 10
bignev: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[5h 8h]
fouf1974: folds
HansLeu: folds
onetimer444: folds
Hero: raises 40 to 60
rjs9352: folds
usana russ: raises 60 to 120
farmhill: folds
bignev: folds
Hero: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6d 7d]
Hero: checks
usana russ: bets 120
Hero: raises 1210 to 1330 and is all-in
usana russ: calls 960 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ks 6d 7d] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6d 7d 2s] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [5h 8h] (high card Ace)
usana russ: shows [Td Th] (a pair of Tens)
usana russ collected 2430 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2430 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 6d 7d 2s Ah]
Seat 1: fouf1974 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: HansLeu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: onetimer444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero showed [5h 8h] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: rjs9352 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: usana russ (button) showed [Td Th] and won (2430) with a pair
of Tens
Seat 8: farmhill (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: bignev (big blind) folded before Flop
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

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what are these players thinking

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...many aren't considering much more than "i have a piece, and i bet he's full of [censored]".
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

1) If you're going to raise preflop, raise more than 60. I'd raise to at least 100. The c/r all in isn't all that bad I suppose, but I would have just made a standard continuation bet.

2) WTF are you doing. Fold preflop.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

I agree with splashpot. If you're going to raise hand one, raise it more, like to 100.

I don't like the C/R all-in. I don't know what buy-in it was, but on the lower levels anyway, you're not getting a K to fold. You have a flush draw and one over, so you're likely getting called with the worst of it. Why not either C bet or just call his bet after checking?
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

The AQs hand was from the 2 table 22
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:35 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

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The AQs hand was from the 2 table 22

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Did you really expect a K to fold on a 22? Not that you could have known that he had an 8 instead of a K...

The bottom line is when the players are this bad, I don't think there's any need to get fancy. If there's a good chance he's calling, why push with the worst of it, especially so early?
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

Hand #1 is ok... but at best its a coinflip. Of course villian made a horrible call, but you cant be upset--You pushed all in without a pair bro!!

Hand #2 is horrible, it just screams semibluff. Wayyyy too big of an overbet man!
I dont think villian made a bad call here depending on his read of you. I wouldn't try this stuff too much though, Try to see a turn W/ hand #1 and two, never ever push ever!
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

I guess I just thought he would think I had AK as I was representing...I was very surprised when he called and showed the 8 as I havent often seen calls like that at the 22's
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

Hand #1: an extremely expensive choice. The only time you get called here is when you're on the draw. Granted, you've got many outs left -- certainly 9 of them, possibly 12 and rarely 15. Let's say that on average you've got about 10 outs when you're called. That means that you'll be about 40% likely to have the best hand by the river. The guy that you're check-raising made a huge flop bet -- it doesn't seem infinitely likely he's going to walk away here. I'm just not sure I like this play.

I vastly prefer leading out with a bet of t150-t200 here. If someone wants to raise you, more power to 'em, and you can play it from there. The check-raise just seems to risk all your chips when you're probably going to get called, and when you're probably on the draw.

Hand #2: I don't like this preflop raise (unless you had some specific reads) and I REALLY don't like the preflop call. You're going to play 85s heads-up against a preflop REraiser? Why?? Your steal failed; let it go and move on.

Your flop check-raise makes more sense here, since your opponent has the aggression, but I'd say you can get the same folding equity without risking so many chips. Remember that at the time you had absolutely nothing but hope: if you get called, you're in an even worse situation than you were in with hand #1. Unless you have some very specific read on the villain, I'm not making this play. If you must let your spurs a jingle-jangle-jingle, try doing so with a t400 raise. It's going to be a much more believable representation of a K. Someone with a dominant hand here isn't pushing all-in, and a thinking opponent is going to smell bluff or semi-bluff and call with something decent.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: A couple of hands for your critique.....

All comments greatly appreciated and taken on board for future reference,as I said I dont usually employ these extreme tactics,just went with a feel....I'll stop and think it over next time.
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