KK after 5xBig Blind Raise

[ninjia3x]

both vilian's and hero has approx. the same stack, 200 dollars
blinds are 1/2

hero: KK

UTG seems like a preatty ABC player

UTG opens with 10 raise.
MP4 calls
Hero Raises to 35

pot(100)

flop comes 4J8r;

UTG takes a little time, bets in the pot 100;
MP4 calls;

hero folds;

comments?

[amoeba]

what kind of flop would you need to call that bet? one without any face cards?

Its not conceivable for him to play QQ this way?

[ninjia3x]

yeah, u've got a point.

the hands that i was likely beating was QQ and AJ, and maybe TT(but i doubt it because he is very straight forward with his betting)

the only problem that really buged me was that MP4 just called, he couldbe slow playing a set by calling.

i will post the results later.

[amoeba]

I think with mp4 calling, folding is ok if you feel these guys aren't maniacs.

and you can't really raise without going all in.

I think fold is ok.

I'm not saying you should call I'm just saying that there are very few flops short of you flopping a K that you would feel comfortable calling here.

Especially due to drawless nature of the board, I think its unlikely for mp4 to be on a draw.

It would suck if UTG turned over AJ and mp4 turned over 9T though.

[ninjia3x]

yeah...it turns out UTG had AJ. and i don't know what MP4 had..

my read on UTG was he was ABC...but couldn't believe he was this straight with the bets... oh well, could have potentially raked home 400 on that hand lol