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Old 12-30-2005, 01:26 AM
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Default The last stand of the American Republic....

Great article here....

My fav. quote from the article pretty much starts it out...

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"The much-belated exposure of George W. Bush's warrantless spy program has forced the Bush-Cheney Regime to openly declare what they have long implied -- and enacted -- in secret: that the president is above the law, a military autocrat with unlimited powers, beyond the restraint or supervision of any other institution or branch of government. Outed as rank deceivers, perverters of the law and rapists of the Constitution, the Bush gang has decided that their best defense -- their only defense, really -- is a belligerent offense. "Yeah, we broke the law," they now say; "so what? We'll break it again whenever we want to, because law don't stick to our Big Boss Man. What are you going to do about it, chump?" -

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On the other hand...it makes an interesting point - if the American public is willing to take such an obvious failed human being and re-elect him and poo-poo his repeated violations of our civil rights, maybe we do deserve to be slaves to his dictatorial machine.

At least you guys who voted for him do.

RB
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:20 AM
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Default excellent post

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Old 12-30-2005, 02:32 AM
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such an obvious failed human being

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He is the former governor of Texas and two-time President of the United States. What have you accomplished?

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poo-poo his repeated violations of our civil rights,

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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dictatorial machine.

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People who have lived under a real dictatorship would laugh at you... even more than I am laughing right now. Are we living in the same country?
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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Are we living in the same country?

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No. There is a different America for red states and blue states. There is a different America for Republicans and Democrats. There is a different America for men and women. There is a different America for adults and children. There is a different America for Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Taoist, Wiccan, and Buddist. There is a different America for Black, White, Asian and Hispanic. There is a different America for rich and poor. There is a different America for any idealogue who wants to make one for the advancement of their own power and influence. There is different America for everyone.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights.

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This is entirely the point. Its not about whether any of MY rights have been violated, personally. If the rights of one can be violated, the rights of ALL can be violated. (First they came for the gypsies, then the homosexuals...). The right of American citizens not to be detained without recourse to due process and the legal system has already been violated. The right of unreasonable search and seizure has been violated. (and NO Clinton and Carter did it within the rules of FISA, not by fiat).

Less than 10 years ago, half of this country was up in arms, saying no President was above the law. The rule of law applies to everyone, in reference to the Clinton impeachment over perjury. But this adminstration has thrown two elements of the Bill of Rights out the window, is hiding a traitor who outed, or orchestrated the outing of, a CIA agent, and yet those same people are not only quiet about these laws being broken, but are bending over backwards to offer excuses for these actions.

While much of the sloganeering and posturing by both sides has been overly strident, there are some simple truths here learned by every child who makes it through basic Civics classes. Our civil rights are being slowly degraded. If we don't stand up for them now, where will we be in five years? 10 years? 20 years?
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


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Old 12-30-2005, 04:48 PM
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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.

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But does it do any good?

I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow? What the #&$@ did those old folks that wrote the stupid bill of rights know about terrorism? Nothing. Did I mention we are at WAR?

The stupid pro-terrorist pansies are defending the bill of rights? Did I mention we are at WAR?
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Old 12-30-2005, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.

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But does it do any good?

I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow? What the #&$@ did those old folks that wrote the stupid bill of rights know about terrorism? Nothing. Did I mention we are at WAR?

The stupid pro-terrorist pansies are defending the bill of rights? Did I mention we are at WAR?

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Not to mention the TROOPS! Support of any conflict we find ourselves in is mandatory, because if we do not support it fully and one-hundred-percent, we are disrespecting the TROOPS and their brave, brave, sacrifices.
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: The last stand of the American Republic....

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I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow?

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Checked the congressional record -

At no time has Congress executed it's constitutional duty and declared War - either on Iraq, Afghanistan, or Terror.

so sue me if I don't like seeing erosion of my civil rights in peacetime.

RB
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