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Old 11-11-2005, 12:12 PM
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Default AQ missed flop

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

I have been playing the flop this way with all overcards in big fields where I am pretty sure someone flopped a pair
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:13 PM
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OK
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:17 PM
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Nice check. You are not folding four players and you are not likely to win this hand unimproved.
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:28 PM
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Noam-

I would bet out. It is large pot, you have two strong overcards, it is a moderately coordinated flop (5 cards w/in rank of each other, but rainbow). You need to bet this to buy outs or win a free card on the turn. Yeah, because it was checked thru you'll get a free card anyway - but so does everyone else and now they have a chance to improve for free. You probably won't win this pot here against 5 opps but a bet will improve your chances to win later.

Why do you think someone has a pair? Someone could just have a 4x or a 5x, 98, or other weak draw. I could be missing something, but nothing here tells me someone has a pair.
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:31 PM
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Nice check. You are not folding four players and you are not likely to win this hand unimproved.

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Is this hand not strong enough to bet given the pot size/size of the field?
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:35 PM
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Noam-

I would bet out. It is large pot, you have two strong overcards, it is a moderately coordinated flop (5 cards w/in rank of each other, but rainbow). You need to bet this to buy outs or win a free card on the turn. Yeah, because it was checked thru you'll get a free card anyway - but so does everyone else and now they have a chance to improve for free. You probably won't win this pot here against 5 opps but a bet will improve your chances to win later.

Why do you think someone has a pair? Someone could just have a 4x or a 5x, 98, or other weak draw. I could be missing something, but nothing here tells me someone has a pair.

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Betting because I am best, or to improve my chances of a free card I can buy, although I don't think either are likely, but I will NEVER clear up outs with a flop bet. Ever.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:04 PM
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Bet this. You've likely got 6 outs to the best hand. You'll hit like 24% of the time by the river.

Bet out and if anyone is playing any mid-range drawing cards then make them pay to draw.

Tend to be very aggressive with overcards.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:08 PM
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Bet this. You've likely got 6 outs to the best hand. You'll hit like 24% of the time by the river.

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well he doesn't have 6 outs, and how is he going to get to the river to have his chance to win?
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:10 PM
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I don't think a flop bet cleans up your outs ever. I don't think anyone folds on the flop here to a bet ever. Two cold calls one semi-cold call and one call of an UTG raise. So I think checking is fine here. If there were fewer players or you had better position (at least second to last) a bet would be fine, but you are just throwing your money away betting here imo.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:13 PM
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Buying a free card when you are UTG is usually a no-money back purchase.
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