A 2+2 table hand. Short handed and 1/2 limit but it belongs here. - Page 2

BongRips · #1 02-13-2005, 03:28 AM

In every situation, I want to raise that flop to isolate the live fish, and take away orb's odds with a draw. If he doesn't raise, you just let him see a card cheap in a situation where you are very likely ahead. Also, why would you want to let another solid player have a chance to see the turn cheaply when you could shut him out of the action? Jamming the flop makes it an easier hand to play imo. Due to the table conditions, I can understand your line, but I'd say I still prefer jamming the flop, as usually, it's the most profitable line.

Joe Tall · #2 02-13-2005, 03:33 AM

I want to raise that flop to isolate the live fish, and take away orb's odds with a draw. If he doesn't raise, you just let him see a card cheap in a situation where you are very likely ahead

If he is going to contiue there are only a few hands that he has, KK I have beat, QQ well good for him. The 2 hands he would play aggressively would be AQ, and the heart draw. These hands metioned he is not folding. If he has the heart draw, my plan was to raise a blank on the turn if he correctly calls with it, destroying odds further.

Peace,
Joe Tall

BongRips · #3 02-13-2005, 03:41 AM

We're not talking just heart draw or AQ, there are a number of hands that would be getting odds to draw if you do not raise, without a raise, he is getting 14:1, with a raise, he is getting roughly 7.5:1. Without the raise, he basically has license to draw with anything while getting odds, with the raise, he can't draw to improve one pair or draw with a gutshot, etc. Even though hands like this don't seem plausible from a 2+2er, like you said, there was a lot of pf raising, so his range of hands is massive.

BottlesOf · #4 02-13-2005, 03:44 AM

I think you played it well. Clearly, this isn't the traditional way to play it, but you aren't at a traditional table. I myself, am not that creative, and don't think it hurts me much that I'm not. Your line (pre-flop/flop) while unorthodox seems a fine way to get a lot of money in with the best hand, although I'm not sure it's necessary.

Joe Tall · #5 02-13-2005, 03:47 AM

Was to kick me off the IRC chat. What do you all think of that?

Peace,
Joe Tall

cold_cash · #6 02-13-2005, 03:52 AM

Because you beat him out of a pot?

Retarded/bush.

Glitch · #7 02-13-2005, 03:55 AM

the side you don't know: he discussed it for 25 minutes to no avail. the aggressive douchebagness of joe warranted the ban, as several others concured. another important point this post ignores: the reverse implieds orb has against you if he does hit the draw. does this supersede the value you get by him just calling? i think so.

cold_cash · #8 02-13-2005, 04:01 AM

Well, I got called a "stupid douchebag" tonight too, so as far as I'm concerned everyone can kiss my ass.

Also, if people can get banned for being aggressive at 2+2 tables, those tables are going to be short lived.

nothumb · #9 02-13-2005, 04:04 AM

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another important point this post ignores: the reverse implieds orb has against you if he does hit the draw.

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Orb is not folding to raise on the flop. If Joe knew his hand, and knew he would raise the fishy player's bet, he would probably play it the same way. FTOP. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

NT

Joe Tall · #10 02-13-2005, 04:07 AM

another important point this post ignores: the reverse implieds orb has against you if he does hit the draw. does this supersede the value you get by him just calling? i think so.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Say Orb calls the flop and think if the draw hits the turn, and I have Orb on a likely AQ and the live one bets (as the live one likely would and Orb being of sound mind (we hope) knows this) how much does he bare to make now? Can you explain your resoning further?

Welcome to the forum,
Joe Tall