2nd pair

[Silverback]

I think I played this ok, maybe thats my problem,

sb is 21/13

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

[krishanleong]

What does the flop raise achieve exactly?

Krishan

[Silverback]

sb might have had QQ-JJ

I raised, if he had an ace i thought he might reraise, so i fold,

however I got free card and a free flush draw,


should I have folded on the flop?

[krishanleong]

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sb might have had QQ-JJ

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So your trying to get weak hands to fold while simultaneously getting 3-bet by hands that beat you which comprise a much larger percent of his possible holdings?

Yes, fold the flop.

I also at least consider folding the river. Then I call.

Krishan

[Wynton]

Might not the flop raise also yield some information?

[krishanleong]

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Might not the flop raise also yield some information?

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You overrate information. This game is about getting money in when you are ahead and folding when you are behind. You are not ahead here often enough.

Krishan

[Wynton]

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Might not the flop raise also yield some information?

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You overrate information. This game is about getting money in when you are ahead and folding when you are behind. You are not ahead here often enough.

Krishan

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I think you're probably right. And this again might be a symptom of falling into some nl thinking, where bets often have to be made for info.

I need a button on my brain to switch between strategy for different formats.

[PennDisc]

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Yes, fold the flop.


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Hero is getting 13-1 on the flop with 2nd pair and a backdoor nut flush draw, is the flop fold that clear? I can certainly see that the hero is in deep trouble against AA, KK, AK, AQ - but villain might also have QQ, JJ, TT and be taking a stab at a big pot or maybe just has AJs. Is it a bad play to peel one off in position getting 13-1? It might even gain the information you want since those pocket pair hands will be reluctant to fire again on the turn after being called on the flop.

[krishanleong]

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Yes, fold the flop.


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Hero is getting 13-1 on the flop with 2nd pair and a backdoor nut flush draw, is the flop fold that clear? I can certainly see that the hero is in deep trouble against AA, KK, AK, AQ - but villain might also have QQ, JJ, TT and be taking a stab at a big pot or maybe just has AJs. Is it a bad play to peel one off in position getting 13-1? It might even gain the information you want since those pocket pair hands will be reluctant to fire again on the turn after being called on the flop.

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Yeah, I wasn't diligent about counting outs and odds. I think a call here is fine.

Krishan

[Silverback]

Result
BB had AQs