Value bet vs induce bluff

[gonzopro]

Seems like there has been a lot of discussion in the forum about value betting. The guys I've been trading hand histories with have been harping on me about hands like this. So what is your preferred line here? Do bet/fold (value bet) or ck/call (try to induce bluff) or bet/call (spew)?

Only 2 orbits with villian. Only hand that stood out was he raised 66 on the button with 2 limpers. Called down and sucked out when a 6 fell on the river (guess who was on the other end of that 2-outer)


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ????

I like inducing a bluff here. There's nothing wrong with bet/fold, though, especially if he was on a busted flush draw and is considering calling down with jack high :-). Bet/call IS spew.

this is like a bet/fold

[Peter Harris]

i bet-fold here.

[gonzopro]

Ok, I should have been more blatant.

Why do you want to bet/fold this vs another line?

[jrz1972]

Bet/call obviously sucks. You are crushed by anything that raises the river, so that line is out.

The problem with check/call is that when villain bets this river, he is not bluffing. There were no obvious draws on the flop for villain to be chasing, so the fact that he called the flop and turn suggests that he caught some piece of the board. By checking, you allow villain the option of checking down with a 5, but he's obviously betting a Q. So check/call costs the same as bet/fold when you're behind but will often miss a bet when you're ahead.

Thus, we bet/fold. This gets value off a villian that is calling down with bottom pair, 33, A-high or somesuch, and we can be super-confident in folding to a raise.

[philnewall]

This board is so dry there' s few hands he could bluff with. Bet/fold, or check/fold but don't check/call imo.

[jrz1972]

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This board is so dry there' s few hands he could bluff with. Bet/fold, or check/fold but don't check/call imo.

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There's a good reason why check/fold wasn't under consideration on this hand.

Let's say we (unwisely, IMO) check the river, and villain bets. We're surely good here 1 time in 7, no?

[philnewall]

I know, but it's still better than check call.

[jrz1972]

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I know, but it's still better than check call.

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I don't agree with that at all. I wouldn't check-call this, but it's not a totally unreasonable line. Check-fold really is unreasonable.