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Old 12-29-2005, 04:46 AM
element00 element00 is offline
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Default 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

Party Poker (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

My stack is $25 and the villian has me covered. (converter didn't work)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds</font>. folds to villian who limps, I raise to $1.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>
CO checks. pot 2.25
villian checks, hero bets $2, villian calls $2.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>pot $6.15
. Villian bets $10, hero ???
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

you've deleted the stacks.

given the overbet i fold.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

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Party Poker (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

My stack is $25 and the villian has me covered. (converter didn't work)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds</font>. folds to villian who limps, I raise to $1.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>
CO checks. pot 2.25
villian checks, hero bets $2, villian calls $2.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>pot $6.15
. Villian bets $10, hero ???

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I push
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:04 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

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you've deleted the stacks.

given the overbet i fold.

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Do you put him on exactly QT or an overset? I think the average $25 player would be creaming himself to checkraise with the straight and would have raised preflop with JJ+ and if not probably limp reraised AA or KK. I think we're seeing KJ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s , gutshot with a flush draw, two pair etc. enough to push. If he's got the straight just boat up on the river and if he's got an overset oh well.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

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Do you put him on exactly QT or an overset?

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It has been my experience that villain overbet pots w/ nuts or hands that are top set like.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:28 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

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if he's got an overset oh well

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No problem, just spike your 1-outer, I do it all the time
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:29 AM
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I push btw, only a total rock will make me lay a set down to this.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:58 AM
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Default Re: 88 button flop set. villian leads turn

I wouldn't worry about the higher set. The only thing I would worry about is the straight. You have 10 outs if he does have the straight. Not enough for the pot odds or anything, but just something to keep in mind.

I think he could have 'slow played' 2 pair on the flop. The overbet is kind of weird unless he made his gutshot straight draw on the turn. Anyways I think I would push the turn.

So to put him on the straight you would have to have a read that he calls too often -- called a pot sized bet on the flop with the inside straight draw only. And then a read that he only overbets with close to the nuts. A kind of loose-passive profile. Otherwise I second guess pushing the turn too much. There are enough 2 pair possibilities and I don't fear the overset here much at all.

edit: ok, i just realized it was a double gutshot so maybe there is some consideration for a fold here
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