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Old 12-23-2005, 12:28 AM
1C5 1C5 is offline
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Default ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

Your play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

SB (t2825)
Hero (t1580)
UTG (t1345)
Button (t2250)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t475</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

Stop and go, I think. I don't think he's folding if you push, anyway.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:04 AM
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I am pushing this. Especially if button has been aggresive like you say. In this spot, I need to get some chips at some point and how much better than this hand can I reasonably expect.
The only thing I dont want to see here is a higher PP...anything else I dont really mind seeing.

SNGPT says it is a fold however..EV -$0.84 vs a range of:

22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:05 AM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

SNGPT can't really do this very well, as you have to know both his raising range and his calling of a re-raise range. I guesstimate he would fold 25-33% of hands here, but that might be way off. For those calcs you need to do ICM by hand. It works out at his original raising range being about top 20% and calling range about top 15%. It's just a little tight for me to push that.

Oh yeah, and you would hate to see two overcards, you should be avoiding coinflips on the bubble especially with 10BB. This is obvious stuff, honestly.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

I push. Even without that read I don't think it's close, and with that read it's umm, even less close. Really I'd need a pretty damned good read to *not* push here. I *suppose* you could stopngo, but I think this hand is really too good for that. I might try it with a lower pair...
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:06 AM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

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Stop and go, I think. I don't think he's folding if you push, anyway.

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I'm not sure you want him to fold. With an aggressive player, I expect to have him drawing to 2 or 3 outs here quite a lot.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

Push for sure, what you don't wanna do is let hands like QJ and JT see a flop that might otherwise have folded if you pushed. At this stage this is hand worth dying with, so why not apply the pressure right away. You're gonna be ahead here more often than not.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:06 PM
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Haven't read replies. Push
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:08 PM
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Stop and go, I think. I don't think he's folding if you push, anyway.

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I'm not sure you want him to fold. With an aggressive player, I expect to have him drawing to 2 or 3 outs here quite a lot.

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It depends on the player I guess. I actually agree with both of you depending on the situation.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: ($22)99 on bubble, raiser has been aggressive

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SNGPT can't really do this very well, as you have to know both his raising range and his calling of a re-raise range. I guesstimate he would fold 25-33% of hands here, but that might be way off. For those calcs you need to do ICM by hand. It works out at his original raising range being about top 20% and calling range about top 15%. It's just a little tight for me to push that.

Oh yeah, and you would hate to see two overcards, you should be avoiding coinflips on the bubble especially with 10BB. This is obvious stuff, honestly.

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Man, you are so right so often, but sometimes you are way off and this tone doesn't suit you.

This is EV neutral if button NEVER folds to your push. He will fold a significant portion of hands he raises here. This is a clear push.
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