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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
Agree with bluefeet about the pre-flop call.
But I'll go ahead and raise that flop. Slowplaying on a flop like that is just asking for trouble. It's a 5+1, so these guys have to put on a wider range. Nope, I say raise this to 150, at least make someone pay to hit an inside straight. More often than not, you're going to get a caller even after raising. Most likely UTG, who will still be chasing his overs. *This is a 5+1 after all, raising with the best hand is usually the way to go.* |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
I don't disagree with raising. Maybe for a different reason though. Comparing the hands that are filling this straight with the hands that call the PF raise, I don't think giving the turn is terribly risky. But I DO agree that this is probably a good example of where fast-playing is the best slow-play. You're right -- overs will call the raise quite often. Better yet we might be "falling" for UTG+2's AA/KK trap here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] By taking his bait, we stand a decent chance of getting them in here on the flop.
<- Changing answer to "make it 200ish to go" |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
So, even though I may have the best hand pre-flop, you believe this is an incorrect call because of the fear of over cards coupled with a continuation bet? I hear that argument, but this doesn't seem to be screaming "Fold!" Isn't the flop more likely to show cards under T than higher? Though I do agree that the 6BB raise is a little high.
I honestly was struck dumb by this flop for a second. It looks so safe, so it seems a decent raise is appropriate. However, since it's so seemingly safe, slow playing this could give me some extra cash, especially if an over comes. But could he have JQ? That doesnt seem to make sense with the preflop raise, but I have to make it incorrect for someone with a straight draw, right? So slowplaying could do some major damage to me and possibly not pay off as much as opposed to me just making a raise of about 150-180 ... Interesting ... |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
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So, even though I may have the best hand pre-flop, you believe this is an incorrect call because of the fear of over cards coupled with a continuation bet? [/ QUOTE ] The fact that your hand is the best hand preflop has virtually no meaning unless you get all the money in preflop, which you don't want at this stage of the tournament. You are paying over 1/10th of your stack here preflop, and you need virtually a perfect flop to continue with the hand. The majority of the time the flop will contain at least one overcard, and your opponent(s) will bet often, whether he has hit the flop or not, and you will need to drop the hand. Furthermore, at the 5+1s you can expect more preflop callers behind you because opponents are loose as hell. Which means that almost all of the flops with an overcard will hit somebody. So you are stuck playing your TT for set value, and you can't call a big raise preflop on that basis. |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
Flop: (t280) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t350</font>, Button folds, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: t695 As soon as I bet this much, I wanted to kinda kick myself. I think apprx. 180 would have been a good amount to raise so that he would make a mistake with a draw, grabbing at nothing with an overcard or two, or his higher pocket pair. About the pre-flop argument. Would you agree to a call with AQo or AJo as opposed to my TT? And if so (I assume you would with the AQ, but not with the AJ), would this be done (I'm assuming you mean the lower limit SNG's) just because you hold two overcards? |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
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About the pre-flop argument. Would you agree to a call with AQo or AJo as opposed to my TT? And if so (I assume you would with the AQ, but not with the AJ), would this be done (I'm assuming you mean the lower limit SNG's) just because you hold two overcards? [/ QUOTE ] Calling with AJ would be a terrible mistake. I would not call with AQ either. Of the three hands (AJ, AQ, TT), TT would be the 'best' one to call with, although I would not do it here. |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
So then, the only time that you would call this guy's 6BB raise is when you have JJ+ and AK? To clarify your (and it seems the majority of the repliers) stance.
(PS .. thank you everyone for commenting) |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
Would it be logical to state that if these kind of raises become habitual for this gentleman throughout the tournament, I can then widen my range of calling hands so that TT would be included?
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
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So then, the only time that you would call this guy's 6BB raise is when you have JJ+ and AK? To clarify your (and it seems the majority of the repliers) stance. (PS .. thank you everyone for commenting) [/ QUOTE ] Correct. Probably flat call with JJ / AK. QQ for me would either be a re-raise or a flat call. Obviously I'd re-raise with KK / AA. That's just me... |
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Re: $5+1: What to do with these people.
Raise. Value bet these guys to death. Always. They will call with anything.
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