Hand against mike l.

Justin A · #1 10-18-2005, 03:30 PM

Good 20/40 game in LA. I raise two limpers with AKo on the button. mike calls in one of the blinds, four ways to the flop.

Flop is J74 two diamonds. I have no diamonds. mike bets, one limper calls, one folds, I raise, mike 3bets, limper folds, I call.

Before we go on, let me just say that my flop raise is awful, and is just spewing here. When mike bets into the field on a flop like this he's 3betting nearly every time. I'd like to move the attention away from this part of the hand.

Turn is an offsuit queen. mike bets and I call.

River is an offsuit king. mike checks and I check behind.

bicyclekick · #2 10-18-2005, 03:32 PM

What in the hell justin?

This hand is exactly how a lot of dumb fish play their hands. Put in tons of bets when they have nothing, get there and dont put a bet in.

Not that I think the river check is bad...it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

Bad hand sir.

#3 10-18-2005, 03:34 PM

i agree. fold this turn and dont raise the flop. call the flop, fold the turn.

and if you're going to call the turn, bet the river with improvement.

NLSoldier · #4 10-18-2005, 03:48 PM

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i agree. fold this turn and dont raise the flop. call the flop, fold the turn.

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Getting like 8-1 with a gutshot and 2 overs huh?

NLSoldier · #5 10-18-2005, 03:39 PM

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.it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

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im sure he woulda bet/raised if his gutterball came in [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Justin A · #6 10-18-2005, 03:41 PM

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.it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

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im sure he woulda bet/raised if his gutterball came in [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Exactly!

GuyOnTilt · #7 10-18-2005, 05:07 PM

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it just doesn't make sense to call a bet on the turn if you're not even going to bet the river if you improve.

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Sure it does. I think you agree that the river is a check, so are you advising a turn fold? He's getting better than 10:1 with AK on a QJxx board, he's not folding closing the action. Where do you think he should play differently turn/river?

GoT

mikelow · #8 10-18-2005, 05:59 PM

just chip spewing to me...then a river wimpout.

ggbman · #9 10-18-2005, 07:45 PM

I haven't played with Mike, but i would be surprised if he was really checking the river with a better hand, and given his apparent preflop limping standards in good games, i would be inclined to value bet the river.

Justin A · #10 10-18-2005, 11:17 PM

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I haven't played with Mike, but i would be surprised if he was really checking the river with a better hand, and given his apparent preflop limping standards in good games, i would be inclined to value bet the river.

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Mike was the big blind, so his preflop range of hands is huge.

Try to think about what mike thinks I have on the river. What is my possible range? At the same time, given this range of hands, what's mike's best play if he has a flopped set or two pair? What's his best play if he just has a jack?