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Old 10-13-2005, 10:27 AM
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The same could be said of humans; In the end Barry Greenstein with his donations to charity to improve the lives of impoverished children and Hitler with his answer to the "Jewish Problem" both go that "never ending sleep" having no identity, & no memory - equals in sleep, equals in death.



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But definitely NOT equals in life. Why do you insist that people live in the future and not in the present? Who cares what happens after we die? We should only be concerned with our life now and not worry about the fact we will all die and matter not.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:18 AM
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The same could be said of humans; In the end Barry Greenstein with his donations to charity to improve the lives of impoverished children and Hitler with his answer to the "Jewish Problem" both go that "never ending sleep" having no identity, &amp; no memory - equals in sleep, equals in death.



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But definitely NOT equals in life. Why do you insist that people live in the future and not in the present? Who cares what happens after we die? We should only be concerned with our life now and not worry about the fact we will all die and matter not.

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The destination directs the travel.

If one wanted to go to Andorra, they would fly to Barcelona, Spain and then catch a train to Andorra.

However if one wanted to go to Lisbon, Portugal; one would fly to Madrid, Spain and catch another plane to Lisbon airport.

Different destinations, different paths.

Caesar &amp; SDM had different paths, but ultimately faced the same destination - infinite unconsciousness, no memory, no identity.

Therefore one could argue the path you take before death is of no importance - all roads lead to "Rome" anyway. ("Rome" here being used to represent death - the "infinite unconsciousness")
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:26 AM
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The same could be said of humans; In the end Barry Greenstein with his donations to charity to improve the lives of impoverished children and Hitler with his answer to the "Jewish Problem" both go that "never ending sleep" having no identity, &amp; no memory - equals in sleep, equals in death.



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But definitely NOT equals in life. Why do you insist that people live in the future and not in the present? Who cares what happens after we die? We should only be concerned with our life now and not worry about the fact we will all die and matter not.

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The destination directs the travel.

If one wanted to go to Andorra, they would fly to Barcelona, Spain and then catch a train to Andorra.

However if one wanted to go to Lisbon, Portugal; one would fly to Madrid, Spain and catch another plane to Lisbon airport.

Different destinations, different paths.

Caesar &amp; SDM had different paths, but ultimately faced the same destination - infinite unconsciousness, no memory, no identity.

Therefore one could argue the path you take before death is of no importance - all roads lead to "Rome" anyway. ("Rome" here being used to represent death - the "infinite unconsciousness")

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Or, one could argue that the destination is of no importance- the journey is the only thing that "matters".
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:31 AM
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Or, one could argue that the destination is of no importance- the journey is the only thing that "matters".

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Matters to whom?
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:38 AM
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The same could be said of humans; In the end Barry Greenstein with his donations to charity to improve the lives of impoverished children and Hitler with his answer to the "Jewish Problem" both go that "never ending sleep" having no identity, &amp; no memory - equals in sleep, equals in death.



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But definitely NOT equals in life. Why do you insist that people live in the future and not in the present? Who cares what happens after we die? We should only be concerned with our life now and not worry about the fact we will all die and matter not.

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The destination directs the travel.

If one wanted to go to Andorra, they would fly to Barcelona, Spain and then catch a train to Andorra.

However if one wanted to go to Lisbon, Portugal; one would fly to Madrid, Spain and catch another plane to Lisbon airport.

Different destinations, different paths.

Caesar &amp; SDM had different paths, but ultimately faced the same destination - infinite unconsciousness, no memory, no identity.

Therefore one could argue the path you take before death is of no importance - all roads lead to "Rome" anyway. ("Rome" here being used to represent death - the "infinite unconsciousness")

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Or, one could argue that the destination is of no importance- the journey is the only thing that "matters".

[/ QUOTE ] Or, one could argue that the destination is of no importance- the journey is the only thing that "matters".

Very well put. Of course SDM will say 'matters to whom'. Matters to the people taking the journey and that is all that it needs to be important to.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:44 AM
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Very well put. Of course SDM will say 'matters to whom'. Matters to the people taking the journey and that is all that it needs to be important to.

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Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it)
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:49 AM
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Very well put. Of course SDM will say 'matters to whom'. Matters to the people taking the journey and that is all that it needs to be important to.

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Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it)

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How do you define right and wrong? Are you in agreement with NotReady that there are no real morals without god (most people here disagree). I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. It may even be 'wrong' during the journey. And if it is 'wrong' enough you will end up in jail.
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:57 AM
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Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it)


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You may know this already, but IMO no, because there is no "wrong".
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Old 10-13-2005, 12:00 PM
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I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact.

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Explain.
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Old 10-13-2005, 12:04 PM
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Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it)

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How do you define right and wrong? Are you in agreement with NotReady that there are no real morals without god (most people here disagree). I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. It may even be 'wrong' during the journey. And if it is 'wrong' enough you will end up in jail.

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"Wrong" is the wrong word. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

One's fellow travellers might send him to the final destination early if they are sufficiently motivated and powerful.
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