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12-12-2005, 09:39 AM
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Re: Hypothetical hand T987ss flops bottom 2 pair and str8 draw
Pot the flop, bet 2/3 pot on turn if 6, J, 9 or 8 falls. Bet 1/2 pot on turn for any other card, fold to a reraise on all street against most players. If a 6, J, 9 or 8 falls and you get called on the turn, I would most likely check call the river, but again, it depends on the player.
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12-12-2005, 11:29 AM
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Re: Hypothetical hand T987ss flops bottom 2 pair and str8 draw
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OOP 6 way w/ 4 nut outs = check/fold [/ QUOTE ] and... [ QUOTE ] Pot the flop, bet 2/3 pot on turn if 6, J, 9 or 8 falls. Bet 1/2 pot on turn for any other card, fold to a reraise on all street against most players. If a 6, J, 9 or 8 falls and you get called on the turn, I would most likely check call the river, but again, it depends on the player. [/ QUOTE ] Could the advice be more different? If the table is loose passive, and your image is strong, I would raise that hand even from the SB, reduce the field, and use that ace as a scare card. Between the times you win uncontested and the times you hit the nuts and stack someone, you will usually make up for the times you run into a bigger hand.
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12-12-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: Hypothetical hand T987ss flops bottom 2 pair and str8 draw
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Pot the flop, bet 2/3 pot on turn if 6, J, 9 or 8 falls. Bet 1/2 pot on turn for any other card, fold to a reraise on all street against most players. If a 6, J, 9 or 8 falls and you get called on the turn, I would most likely check call the river, but again, it depends on the player. [/ QUOTE ] Just curious, but what situations do you not look to build a large pot with bottom two and a weakish draw? I really am just curious and not dissing your line.
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12-12-2005, 04:10 PM
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Re: Hypothetical hand T987ss flops bottom 2 pair and str8 draw
<Just curious, but what situations do you not look to build a large pot with bottom two and a weakish draw?>
Who's looking to build a large pot? 4 or 5 handed you could easily have the best hand right now and you have some outs to improve. Against a passive table I'll bet this flop everytime and bet a lot of scare cards on the turn. Too much of the advice on this forum refers to situations in which you have no reads whatsoever and no indication of how your opponents play. Given that I know my opponents and that they are, in this case, very passive, I would take this line most of the time. I would also raise or reraise this in any position a lot of the time preflop.
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12-12-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: Hypothetical hand T987ss flops bottom 2 pair and str8 draw
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Too much of the advice on this forum refers to situations in which you have no reads whatsoever and no indication of how your opponents play. [/ QUOTE ] This is certainly true, but in most circumstances is just the way it has to be. Either people don't post reads, or the reads are vague enough to not be that useful. Even in this thread, when joewatch said that the table was loose/passive, was this on all streets or just pre-flop? I certainly see a lot of tables where pre-flop hand selection is pretty loose, but where play tightens up and gets quite aggressive as people play through the streets. Given the lack of reads, a lot of the advice here just boils down to variations on the mathematically correct play given the range of hands indicated by an opponents betting pattern. I guess this is what makes answering such posts tedious for those who have been here for a long time. But you are right, poker is never played in a vacuum and understanding the tendencies of the opponent will certainly increase your edge. If everyone posted screen-captured video of their table, I'm sure the advice would get a lot more interesting and the differences in style between various posters would become even more transparent.
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