Lets end the Stupidity Please

[MeanGreenTT]

I did and the rest of thread as well, thanks though.

[LearnedfromTV]

Can I start a new thread about how ridiculous it is that the thread about how ridiculous it was that the other thread kept going is still going?

[JustPlayingSmart]

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I think the important part here, is that you (not just you, lots of us) have to learn how to play a 12xbb stack better. Gambling so that we have easier decisions (small or big) is definitely not the solution.

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This needs to be reiterated.

[curtains]

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The idea that it is good to be in the "red zone" because you will have more +EV situations is stupid. Here's why. When you have a 6x stack maybe its easy to find a 60% chance of doubling up, but if you win, you only double up to twelve freaking BBs. Lets look at some numbers. If you have 6 BBs and get it in as a 70/30 favorite twice (an incredibly wildly optimistic assunmption) then what's your ev. Well you double to 12x .7 of the time or 8.4, and then you double up again to 16.8 .7 of the time or 11.76. So even if we assume you can get it in as a 70/30 favorite twice, you have on average less than 12x. If you gamble as a 1.5:1 dog for 9 BBs out of your 15x stack then .4 of the time you will have 24 BBs, and .6 of the time you will have 6 BBs so your ev equals (.4)(24)+(.6)(6)=9.6+3.6=13.2. In other words even if you gamble is only a relativels small dog now you would still need to get it in as a big favorite twice later 100% of the time for this theory to make sense. It just makes no sense.

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So wait, you are saying that my strategy of raising all my chips except for 75 on the first hand of every tournament, with the idea of folding to an allin, is a bad one?

[adanthar]

Everything you just said can be summarized as 'I don't steal nearly enough with a 12 BB stack and don't know how to play it well, so, being unable to see the opportunities, I get blinded down to 6 BB and then start pushbotting to get those +EV chances to get up to where I just was.'

This series of threads is so bad it's giving Bangor in the magazine forum a run for his money.

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He likes to be in the red zone too.

[pooh74]

Lol, exactly...

I dont know what the problem is here. You like the +EV situations of pushing 5BB stacks? Then raise your 12 BB stack 3-4 BBs and when someone goes over the top, call, you have odds! Its the same thing, except, you stand to end up with more....

[betgo]

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Lol, exactly...

I dont know what the problem is here. You like the +EV situations of pushing 5BB stacks? Then raise your 12 BB stack 3-4 BBs and when someone goes over the top, call, you have odds! Its the same thing, except, you stand to end up with more....


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If I have ATo and push UTG for 5xBB this is clearly EV+. If I have 12xBB and raise to 4xBB UTG with ATo and call a push, I am not sure if this is EV+.

[scott8]

Ummm. Raising under the gun with ATo is rarely +ev.

[Exitonly]

w/ 5BB it would be +cEV.