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10-25-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: T9s on button facing three limpers and a raiser
Well, I could be wrong - several responses seems to point to that. A few comments on your post though:
[ QUOTE ] Aren't you the one who will be tied to the pot? If the flop comes 9 or 10 high and you get action, your likely beat, so your best flops will be ones that flop draws and you will be a dog to make you hand against top pair, etc. [/ QUOTE ] You will be tied into a 5 way pot anyway with odds to call the flop on a gutshot. Exept now the pot is less likely to be raised in front of you and you might even get a free card to draw to your gutshot. [ QUOTE ] 'Cept we prepaid for our flop free card, I'd hardly call that a bargain. [/ QUOTE ] This would be true if that was the only reason to raise, but since it is not our free card only costs a fraction of a sb. [ QUOTE ] If we flop a flush or straight draw don't we want lots of opponents so when we ram 'n jam the flop we are getting value as dog on our raises? [/ QUOTE ] There will still be upportunities to ram and jam the flop and more importantly, ram and jam when you hit, since opponents will have a harder time putting you on a hand. 
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#2
10-25-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: T9s on button facing three limpers and a raiser
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You will be tied into a 5 way pot anyway with odds to call the flop on a gutshot. [/ QUOTE ] This is like bad deja vu... And a problem is that by raising you may find not only the blinds going away, but the limpers saying, why bother calling the extra 2 when the cut-off might cap it, so they'll dump their limps and now you're heads-up. Likely? Maybe, maybe not, but you don't know this is going to be five way. There's a big difference when the raise comes from an early spot and then people are calling two cold vs. limpers now calling an additional 2 after their limp. Now if the hand were a HIGHER suited connector (like KQs) you'd be correct to raise. Barron Vangor Toth BarronVangorToth.com
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#3
10-25-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: T9s on button facing three limpers and a raiser
I agree with what barron said about the raise. Why would you possibly want to drive out hands and money when you have the best position and the second best drawing hand in hold'em? This is the spot you want with this hand, (the button) and this is the kind of pot you want for this hand (multi-way) the only drawback is your position in regards to the original raiser, and the fact that the pot was raised PF. But even with the PF raise, you're going to be getting excellent odds on the flop.
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#4
10-25-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: T9s on button facing three limpers and a raiser
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Well, I could be wrong - several responses seems to point to that. [/ QUOTE ] Part of the problem is your preflop equity can be a little more than your fair share or a lot less than your fair share. So now you 3-bet, only to find either the blinds or the preflop raiser capping. So you are paying 4-bets to see the flop, when your equity is the least.
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10-25-2005, 02:19 PM
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Re: T9s on button facing three limpers and a raiser
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[ QUOTE ] Well, I could be wrong - several responses seems to point to that. [/ QUOTE ] Part of the problem is your preflop equity can be a little more than your fair share or a lot less than your fair share. So now you 3-bet, only to find either the blinds or the preflop raiser capping. So you are paying 4-bets to see the flop, when your equity is the least. [/ QUOTE ] Good post. Thanks!
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