so I re-looked at the "open raising in EP thing"

Rev. Good Will · #1 08-03-2005, 12:02 PM

The "raise or fold with broadways while opening, even in EP" thing was news to me, for some reason thought that

MP3 hasn't been around too long, I have him pegged as loose passive though for limping QJo UTG and the 27 hands I have on him he has a 50-something VPIP

with my only ~30 or so hands on Button, not to make false assumptions; has a rounders based handle, a ~30% VPIP, and limped 87o on the button previously, and showed near zilch aggression, I have tagged as a "tag wannabe" LP

SB I have seen in both .25/.5 and .5/1 on paradise, hovers around lower 30's VPIP, and 15% or so for PFR. He doesn't seem like a typical maniac, as player here is a thinking one

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Chuckles1248 · #2 08-03-2005, 12:12 PM

I like everything, value betting is [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

TALLBrad · #3 08-03-2005, 12:13 PM

I don't see anything wrong with the open Raise, if UTG had called I might be more inclined to just limp in as well.

As for the hand, you have top pair, good kicker. Nobody is making hints of a big hand, the flush guys have the odds to call. I'd play it the same way.

I suspect that MP3 has a J in his hand. Lately I've run into alot of people calling down with second or third pair. Especially when the pot was raised pre-flop, figuring you have overcards that didn't hit.

GrunchCan · #4 08-03-2005, 12:13 PM

I like it.

BatsShadow · #5 08-03-2005, 12:16 PM

I play this the same way.

MrWookie47 · #6 08-03-2005, 12:19 PM

Nice hand. Value betting bad players to death when you have a good hand is your bread and butter.

GrunchCan · #7 08-03-2005, 12:19 PM

Now, didn't you feel much more in control throuought the hand having opened for a raise PF? Like you were dictating how this hand was going down?

POKhER · #8 08-03-2005, 12:20 PM

I thought SSH says "If in EP limp to encourage multiway action" or something similar.

Looks fine though.

benkath1 · #9 08-03-2005, 12:21 PM

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The "raise or fold with broadways while opening, even in EP" thing was news to me, for some reason thought that

MP3 hasn't been around too long, I have him pegged as loose passive though for limping QJo UTG and the 27 hands I have on him he has a 50-something VPIP

with my only ~30 or so hands on Button, not to make false assumptions; has a rounders based handle, a ~30% VPIP, and limped 87o on the button previously, and showed near zilch aggression, I have tagged as a "tag wannabe" LP

SB I have seen in both .25/.5 and .5/1 on paradise, hovers around lower 30's VPIP, and 15% or so for PFR. He doesn't seem like a typical maniac, as player here is a thinking one

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

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I'd like to alter your post a little bit. I know open raising can be a confusing thing, it makes me wonder sometime too as I start doing is a lot more in LP.

To make it a little more interesting, how about if you open raised and caught a flop like this:

Flop: (9 SB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)

Now, how is that going to change your line and why?

GrunchCan · #10 08-03-2005, 12:23 PM

Checking and calling doesn't necesarrily make you bad. Neither does checking and folding. Just becasue you opened for a raise PF does not mean you have to lead the flop.