Question about hand ranges & equity (calling vs. raising, yada yada)

[Bigwig]

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And so finally:

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Depends on the range.

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Yes, but I still think it's different than what most people would assume. It surprised me a bit. One hand is not necessarily better than the other.

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The range includes 65s! That means 65s is better than K6o.

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Better at what? I'll take my K6o against your 65s heads up.

I think OP's point is that opponents' calling ranges affect the value of a hand. A point against which it seems hard to argue. (I know you weren't disagreeing with OP.)

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This is more of a theoretical question. Should we assume that the better hand is the one that does best against the range that would call you?

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If you're pushing, this seems like the right course.
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Or is the best hand the one that has the most preflop equity value?

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I'm not sure it is of much value to base pre-flop equity on a hand's value against random hands (as you've doen in the opening post.
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I lean toward the former in all-in situations, but I'm not sure about play before then.

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Suited and connected hands gain value post-flop even when they have not been made. Flopping a four-flush or OESD is valuable. Holding a King and almost pairing when a Queen comes on the flop isn't quite the same.

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The range includes 65s! That means 65s is better than K6o.

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Better at what? I'll take my K6o against your 65s heads up.


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That's true, but my point is that suited connectors are surprisingly good compared to high cards with low kickers against people with calling ranges that are not extremely loose. I just thought that was surprising anyway. Never mind. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Bigwig]

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I'm not sure it is of much value to base pre-flop equity on a hand's value against random hands (as you've doen in the opening post.

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But until you're called, aren't all the hands you're about to face random? This reminds me of the wave/particle quantum theory experiment.