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Old 08-03-2005, 08:30 AM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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The min raise shows weakness. I'd re-raise to isolate and consider pushing all-in. Calling 11% of your stack is probably weak-tight. By pushing you likely take down t700 without a showdown, which is always nice. In any event, I re-raise or push all-in; for better or worse.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:35 AM
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I would raise preflop. Your hand is too powerful, your opponent raised in too late of a position, and no one is that shortstacked.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:36 AM
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I push preflop, and it's not close. Do you see why?

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FYP

In all seriousness, I would appreciate some reasoning as to why you want to push a 3600 stack into a 700 pot when my opponent is likely on 77+,KJ+,AT+? I mean sure I win the 700 a lot of the time but a good % of his range will call me and crush me.

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You dont think the cutoff might be a little looser than that???
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:42 AM
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im guessing he had an underpair and you took it down

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That's exactly what I put him on too, but I was wrong.

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Curious -- did he have a Ax and get a free card at the end?
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:49 AM
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You dont think the cutoff might be a little looser than that???

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It's possible. That is what I thought at the time having played with him for the whole beginning of the SnG but in retrospect I was probably wrong (which is why I left it out of the OP) - even though his actual hand was in that range.

Edit: he certainly was *not* bullying the table.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:05 AM
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pre-flop i think it's got to be push or call. i really don't like raise-fold because you could be folding as a 80-20 favorite, and likely as a 55-45 favorite. raise-call is also pretty unappealing because the call is going to make you a little queasy against his range with those stack sizes. and if he flat calls your raise it will hard to play post-flop because you really want to avoid going broke.

at first i thought your call was dubious, but i like it now. the stacks are a little too deep to push. i think your line is ok post-flop... the only worry i would have would be getting pushed off the hand by something like 55 / 9x / etc that read your turn check (correctly) as weakness.

but i don't see much to do about it. betting the turn makes you lose too much against an AQ / JT type hand. you could flat call the flop and plan on calling one real bet. this would give free cards, and it would let him push you off with solid bets on the turn and river, but it would let you extract more from hands that are drawing nearly dead (that usually fold the flop).

i'd take your line though.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:07 AM
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I would raise preflop. Your hand is too powerful, your opponent raised in too late of a position, and no one is that shortstacked.

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raise to what, and do what if the pfr pushes?
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Old 08-03-2005, 12:09 PM
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I'd raise an amount where I'm not going to fold no matter what. Probably allin.

Calling is probably fine too to be honest.
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Old 08-03-2005, 01:02 PM
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flat call the flop

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If I'm beat and I just call the flop, he's betting the turn.
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Old 08-03-2005, 01:13 PM
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flat call the flop

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If I'm beat and I just call the flop, he's betting the turn.

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i would be pretty surprised if your calling his minbet got him to slow down with KQ or whatever.

the reason i suggested calling is that you can get another bet out of a hand that's not beating you. and for him to bluff you off the hand, he'll have to fire bets on the turn and river, in which case i'm willing to concede the pot.
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