Two KK Hands

keetz555 · #1 10-17-2005, 09:04 AM

From todays bonus grind session at Stars. Would you make the same laydowns or am I just weak?

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Hero folds

Nick Royale · #2 10-17-2005, 09:14 AM

I fold both

hemstock · #3 10-17-2005, 09:16 AM

First hand, I might check the turn and call a non-spade river. You can't call the river though so nh.

Second hand, if they villain is passive and I trust my read, I fold too. If he is aggressive, you can call down

WalkAmongUs · #4 10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Fold both. Hand 1 theres just way too much out there that beats you. Hand 2 Somebody was either slowplaying or caught an A (probably Aces up).

jakbse · #5 10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Hand 1, yes fold
Hand 2, yes fold

Koss · #6 10-17-2005, 09:17 AM

Marginal turn bet in the first hand. You're likely behind or up against a ton of draws. I might just check it and call a bet if the river blanks.

Nick Royale · #7 10-17-2005, 09:23 AM

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Marginal turn bet in the first hand. You're likely behind or up against a ton of draws. I might just check it and call a bet if the river blanks.

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I don't like letting hands draw for free. Especially not when a fold to a c/r is this easy. Let draws pay on the turn and take a free sd if possible.

Koss · #8 10-17-2005, 09:26 AM

The problem is that the hand is likely a toss-up between making draws pay and betting with 1 out.

mackthefork · #9 10-17-2005, 09:38 AM

I think betting the turn is spewing in hand 1, betting the flop may also be with that many players involved. Hand 2 I follow same line, possibly go for check raise on the flop if there is an aggro player who will bet into you.

Mack

Edit: Hand one only 3 handed on the flop I might be wrong, I still think you're up against an ace the vast majority of the time.

Nick Royale · #10 10-17-2005, 09:42 AM

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The problem is that the hand is likely a toss-up between making draws pay and betting with 1 out.

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But you're planning to call the river, thus invest the same amount anyway. I don't think you'll induce a bluff often enough to make it profitable to check the turn and call the river.