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Old 04-21-2004, 03:35 PM
PseudoPserious PseudoPserious is offline
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Default Misplayed on every street, or was my flop action okay?

Heya,

2/4 game at the local Indian Casino. Table is very passive and relatively loose. The only two folks who have been raising pre-flop are me and a good friend who's at the other end of the table. My friend is a little loose with pre-flop calls, but has reasonably tight raising standards. Post-flop action has been straightforward with loose calls but no bluff bets/raises, aside from a few bets with draws and free card plays.

I'm dealt J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB.

UTG, EP, MP1 call. MP2 (my friend) raises. Button calls. I call (and get a funny look from my friend for the cold-call). BB calls. The limpers all call.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12.5 SB, 7 players)

Checked around to MP2 who bets. Button folds. I raise. BB folds, everyone else calls.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (11 BB, 5 players)

I check. It is checked around.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (11 BB, 5 players)

I check. It's checked around. My JJ is good. Everyone else mucks without showing except for UTG who shows A9 in disgust at missing his hand. My friend later says he had AQs.

I was pretty bummed with how I played the hand, but here's what I was thinking:

Preflop: Calling is mandatory even if I think my friend has an overpair, as I've got the odds to hit a set. I called vice raising to make him think that I just had big cards, in order to check-raise a favorable flop.

Flop: The check-raise seemed mandatory here. I'd like to chase out overcards if possible. I probably fold to a re-raise from my friend (I know his play pretty well). The only hands I see calling are overcards, any T/8/3, or some variety of straight draw.

Turn: I don't like this card. I was worried that someone called me with top pair / no kicker on the flop. I checked with the intention of folding to a bet from one of the rocks and raising a bet from my friend (the only one at the table I thought capable of betting without a T).

River: Again, I don't like this card. Since no-one bet on the turn, I doubt anyone has a T. But since they called 2 bets on the flop, surely they had some piece of the flop. I checked with the intention of calling up to one over-caller.

Was I too wussy all the way through? Looking back, I think I should have bet out on the turn and folded to a raise (to avoid giving a free draw) and then check-called the river.

PP
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:41 PM
CopyCat CopyCat is offline
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Default Re: Misplayed on every street, or was my flop action okay?

I think it's very important to bet the the turn. With decent hands in big pots you should be trying to maximize your chance of winning the pot and not worry so much about loosing an extra bet. The fact that your play sofar is consistent with a ten just make the bet so much better. If your friend folds his overcards it can increase your chance of winning with more than 13 percent.

I would also have bet the river. After the turn was checked through you'll probably be called down by all kinds of hands and that will more than make up for the times you're raised by a 3.

You mentioned that you would have folded to a flop 3-bet. That can't be right since you have odds to spike a set.

I don't know if you should have 3-betted preflop. I think you'll win more than your fair share but calling gives you a good chance of check-raising your friend the way it actually happend. I guess it depends on the looseness of the limpers and your friends raising standards.
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:54 PM
bernie bernie is offline
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Default Re: Misplayed on every street, or was my flop action okay?

i wouldve reraised preflop, but, oh well...

FLop..nice play. your plan worked.

Turn: You just represented a T with your c/r. When the board pairs one of the cards your representing, bet it. It's not often you c/r then check the turn afterwards.

Wouldnt your friend have 3 bet the flop if he had a T? If anyone else raises you on the turn, then change the plan a little.

River: Since the turn got checked around, id bet. Watch all the A chasers call thinking theyll split with you. Anyone who withstood the c/r with a 3 youve more than made enough money on during the hand that you can risk betting the river here.

b
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Old 04-22-2004, 01:15 AM
James Boston James Boston is offline
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Default Re: Misplayed on every street, or was my flop action okay?

After a check-raise, come out firing. You can't expect to get 3 check-raises in on one hand. You missed some bets here.
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