Getting tired of being white (7/11 trip report)

[crookedhat99]

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There are some really uptight people in OOT. For the record, I call people brother, white or black, all the time. Who the [censored] wants to walk around all the time worrying about this [censored].

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Dude, you don't get it. It's not about whether you're being racist, it's about not offending the person. If you're white, calling a random black person 'brother' can obviously be offensive to some black people, and I can see why. Therefore it's stupid to do it.

Nobody cares if you live in you're own ideological world where you can say whatever you want to whoever you want regaurdless of race (as it really should be), because that's just not how it really works, face it.

[Blarg]

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I dont think its cool. Its just something that ive always said, I think my dad or one of my uncles calls everyone brother, so I picked it up when I was young. I just never thought abotu the ramifications of it, becasue anyone who is tight assed enough to call me a racist for saying thigns like that is nto worth my time.

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Umm ... so you're saying both that you've never thought about it the ramifications, but if there are any, you've already determined it must be that someone else is the party who is looking at things the wrong way?

A better approach to things you haven't thought through the ramifications of is clearly to put yourself on the same footing as them and step back from the situation, not just grant yourself a free pass on your unexamined behavior and make the other guy into the bad guy automatically.

There's nothing wrong with having the ability to not react to confrontations by going into a defensive shell or automatically having the attitude of attacking back. Sometimes, we can just do things a better way. It's worth thinking about if making special allowances for people might be doing things a better way. It would hardly kill ya, and being respectful of people is not the huge sacrifice that so many people seem to think it is. You don't have to like or agree with someone's point of view to respect them and treat them decently. And it's really nuts to turn them into the bad guy when you get caught out at being a clod.

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no, the point is I HAVE HAD NO RAMIFICATIONS. I dont pander, by changing the way you speak to certain people, it alienates them, becaue THEY KNOW YOU ARE DOING IT. Ive never, other than one time (probably becaue the kid was drunk), ever had any problem like hte OP. I am not labeling anyone but the white folks in this thread for being bad guys. you change your words because you think that you knwo how someone acts just because they are not hte same color as you...that is blatant racism imo.

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That's absolutely miserable logic.

I'm outta this thread now. If "nowhere" had degrees, I'd rather not explore them any further as this thread spirals downward into yet further stupidity.

[theben]

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There definitely is no more than one type of black guy. And that would be the kind you met in high school. They're pretty much all alike.

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you just confused me! is this sarcasm, a typo, or what you beleive?

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Have you ever actually interacted with significant amounts of poverty-sticken african americans living in slums? Try walking up to a large group of african americans in 'the hood' and saying 'whadup brothas'. see how they greet you



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Scary thought, that.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

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that was absolutely rude. would you address another white guy as a "brotha"? I think not. you used a term that is generally regarded as one of "thier words". it has been my experience from observing blacks that they speak differently from white people and seem to take offense to white people addressing them in the manner they use to communiate amongst themselves. they feel it is disrespectful. just like the word 'nigga'; it is thier word

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Uh, is that called stereotyping? Or racial profiling?

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same same brotha

[JihadOnTheRiver]

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so you honestly can say that you address both black AND white people with 'brotha'?

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yup

[STLantny]

ya, Im done with this thread too you racist WASP motherfuckers................









lighten up, jk abotu the last part

[vulturesrow]

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Trust me when I say that the guys I hung out with wouldnt have given a flying [censored] about someone saying brother to them, esp. in a situation like the OP. If you arent black yourself, then I am quite sure I have a better idea of a black guy's POV than you do.

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There definitely is no more than one type of black guy. And that would be the kind you met in high school. They're pretty much all alike.

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You know, this thread is the first time I think Ive seen a post of yours where I thouht you were flat out wrong. And I am sure you dont seriously think I believe that there is only one type of black guy in the world. Within their community, the guys I hung with were a pretty diverse group and so I feel comfortable making the generalization. There probably are black guys who get upset about this. The funny thing is that I am unfailingly polite to people and have never had a problem with using the word brother. Being genuine is really all that is required.

[theben]

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EHHHH wrong. See thast the point, you are obv not comfortable around people from other racists, so you feel you have to change because of your preconceived notions. People know when you are pandering to them, and when you are just being yourself. if you truly dont stereotype people (which you obv do) you would be able to talk however you want to whomever you want and no one would say a thing...at least that is my experience.

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If you viewed the world as colorblind, you would go around addressing EVERYBODY in the exact same manner. Do you go up to black people and say 'whatup brotha' and then go up to a 50 year old white person and say 'whatup brotha' as well? I highly doubt that.

Are you not aware that there are a reasonable amount of black people who would be offended by a being addressed to as 'brotha' by a white person? Can you not see how this can be percieved as disrespect?

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Yes i do, that is my point. Maybe not an old lady because shes old and not male. I will admit i treat people of different ages differently. I dont call a 19 year old kid sir, nor do I call an 80 year old man brother (wait no, I take that back, I probably would). I know a "resonable" amount of black people and none have ever said anything about hte way I talk, and enjoy my company/vice versa....

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I do adjust how I speak based on age, but not race. It is socially acceptable to address people differently based on age and everybody does it. however, it is not acceptable to address people differently based on race unless requested.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

i like it. you generally strike me as the marinatin type of brotha. so how does it git r dun (sorry that was redneckist)?