Paradise Poker - $0.5/$1 vs $1/$2 Hold'em

[PseudoPserious]

Hi all,

How different are the PP .5/1 and 1/2 games?

Thanks,
PP

[Mike Haven]

this is what happens with KK at 0.50-1:

Table "Cayo Coco" (real money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: hat trick ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Fergie ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Michael McD ($52.25 in chips)
Seat 4: yo yo ($20 in chips)
Seat 5: NORTH* ($17.75 in chips)
Seat 6: cpgalster ($59.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Mike_Haven ($62 in chips)
Seat 8: lubener ($36.25 in chips)
Seat 9: banana man ($5 in chips)
Michael McD: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
yo yo : Post Big Blind ($0.50)
banana man: Post ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to Mike_Haven [ Kd ]
Dealt to Mike_Haven [ Kh ]
NORTH* : Call ($0.50)
cpgalster: Fold
Mike_Haven: Raise ($1)
lubener : Fold
banana man: Call ($0.50)
hat trick: Fold
Michael McD: Fold
yo yo : Raise ($1)
NORTH* : Call ($1)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($1)
banana man: Call ($1)
yo yo : Call ($0.50)
NORTH* : Call ($0.50)
*** FLOP *** : [ Ah 5d 5h ]
yo yo : Bet ($0.50)
NORTH* : Call ($0.50)
Mike_Haven: Call ($0.50)
banana man: Fold
*** TURN *** : [ Ah 5d 5h ] [ Jh ]
yo yo : Bet ($1)
NORTH* : Call ($1)
Mike_Haven: Call ($1)
*** RIVER *** : [ Ah 5d 5h Jh ] [ 2h ]
yo yo : Bet ($1)
NORTH* : Call ($1)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($2)
yo yo : Raise ($2)
NORTH* : Fold
Mike_Haven: Raise ($2)
yo yo : Call ($1)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $20.75 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Ah 5d 5h Jh 2h ]
hat trick didn't bet (folded)
Fergie didn't bet
Michael McD lost $0.25 (folded)
yo yo bet $7.50, collected $20.75, net +$13.25 (showed hand) [ Ac Ad ] (a full
house, aces full of fives)
NORTH* lost $4.50 (folded)
cpgalster didn't bet (folded)
Mike_Haven lost $7.50 (showed hand) [ Kd Kh ] (a flush, ace high)
lubener didn't bet (folded)
banana man lost $2 (folded)
bigdummy didn't bet

and this is what happens with KK at 1-2:

Table "La Palma" (real money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: prairie dog ($125.75 in chips)
Seat 2: joe2020 ($72 in chips)
Seat 3: rodgepodge ($42.25 in chips)
Seat 4: sandi713 ($98.25 in chips)
Seat 5: makruel ($78.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Nosaj ($167.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Mike_Haven ($127 in chips)
Seat 8: MamaBear ($89.25 in chips)
Seat 9: SlammingT ($27.75 in chips)
Seat 10: kient ($44.50 in chips)
rodgepodge: Post Small Blind ($0.50)
sandi713: Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to Mike_Haven [ Kd ]
Dealt to Mike_Haven [ Kc ]
makruel : Fold
Nosaj : Call ($1)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($2)
MamaBear: Raise ($3)
SlammingT: Fold
kient : Fold
prairie dog: Fold
joe2020 : Fold
rodgepodge: Fold
sandi713: Fold
Nosaj : Call ($2)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($2)
MamaBear: Call ($1)
Nosaj : Call ($1)
*** FLOP *** : [ Qc 5c Kh ]
Nosaj : Check
Mike_Haven: Check
MamaBear: Bet ($1)
Nosaj : Fold
Mike_Haven: Raise ($2)
MamaBear: Call ($1)
*** TURN *** : [ Qc 5c Kh ] [ 7h ]
Mike_Haven: Bet ($2)
MamaBear: Raise ($4)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($4)
MamaBear: Raise ($4)
Mike_Haven: Call ($2)
*** RIVER *** : [ Qc 5c Kh 7h ] [ 3s ]
Mike_Haven: Bet ($2)
MamaBear: Raise ($4)
Mike_Haven: Raise ($4)
MamaBear: Call ($2)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $44.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Qc 5c Kh 7h 3s ]
prairie dog didn't bet (folded)
joe2020 didn't bet (folded)
rodgepodge lost $0.50 (folded)
sandi713 lost $1 (folded)
makruel didn't bet (folded)
Nosaj lost $4 (folded)
Mike_Haven bet $20, collected $44.50, net +$24.50 (showed hand) [ Kd Kc ]
(three of a kind, kings)
MamaBear lost $20 (showed hand) [ Qs Qh ] (three of a kind, queens)
SlammingT didn't bet (folded)
kient didn't bet (folded)

so at lower limits your opponent has the nuts which you call until the river, then you cap it though you are dead..erm ok. Look forward to playing you there [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[Mike Haven]

yes - of course i realise now that i should have known he had AA, A5, JJ, J5, 55, 52 or 22 because he raised preflop - but at the time i got carried away with my KK turning into the nut flush

i'll know in future

[PseudoPserious]

I'm surprised yo-yo didn't re-raise.

I have been playing .5/1 there recently with a few ventures into 1/2. The .5/1 games are very tight passive with not much preflop raising maybe 35% see the flop.
The 1/2 games I played were medium loose aggresive and lots of preflop raising and reraising.

bbill

[BBill]

that last post was mine and every post helps in the effortt to become a "member" [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

[redsimon]

and that post was sarcastic old me... [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

[soda]

The .50/1 game is very beatable with straightforward play. Most pots were multiway, allowing me to play smaller pairs in late position. But, mostly I just played ABC. Uber tight up front, typical with my raising hands. Didn't find a lot of value open raising from middle position with ATs (for example) because players were too loose in general, ie. open calling seemed the better EV play to me. Then just play better after the flop. Lots of money to be made in this game, even though it's only .50/1.

The 1/2 games were, of course, tougher. The main things I noticed were some players were players and some were nonplayers. The players tried all sorts of fancy stuff and would become real aggressive in steal situations and with good hands. The nonplayers, were either tight passive or typical loose calling stations.

I used StatKing to find out player tendencies. Sat in one 1/2 game with 4 players taking less than 17% of the flops. This game was amazingly good. Every third hand was a blind steal opportunity. Oh, yeah, blind steals became very important in the 1/2 game. Players play well enough that an AT open raise from middle position was likely to get heads up with a blind or win the money. They didn't, however, play well enough that I had to fear a steal reraise from the CO or button.

I'm now working on the $2/4 game. Main difference is that this game can get very aggressive. Often times loose aggressive, much like the 20/40 at Commerce if you've played that.

Some quick tips, get StatKing and check the table preflop frequencies regularly. Some people are playing 3 or 4 games and waiting for aces or better before they play - you should make a small amount of money off these players by stealing from them when they miss their AK or in the blinds. Others are playing over 50% of the flops.

Also, I do a quick 5 hand report every time someone calls me down to see what they had. Gives me great insight to their play. Oh, and value bet, alot. People don't trust people online even more than they don't trust in the casino.

Say hi if you see me,

soda