KK vs a flush on the turn

wyattjames4 · #1 12-10-2004, 01:07 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (13 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls $0.75 (All-In), CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (23.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB

would you slow down on the turn? im thinking i shouldve slowed down on the turn.

Hack · #2 12-10-2004, 01:16 PM

BB's play is crazy. Why would he cap the flop and fold the turn? I just don't understand that.

I wouldn't have 3bet the turn. I would call the turn raise and check the river.

deacsoft · #3 12-10-2004, 01:16 PM

There is certainly no need to cap it. It puts a three flush on the board plus an overcard. And it's not a sure thing that someone didn't flop the nut straight and slow played it a little. Bet-call (turn); check-call (river). Learn how not to overplay big starting hands.

nyc999 · #4 12-10-2004, 01:16 PM

I'm somewhere between check-calling the turn/river, or check/folding the turn. I guess my decision would be based on what you know about the CO. If aggressive, maybe he would play that way with top pair? Maybe, but I doubt it.

On the turn, you're now behind to a possible flush, straight, two-pair, trips and aces. I think you're rarely ahead in this spot and can make a tough laydown.

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) · #5 12-10-2004, 01:37 PM

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I'm somewhere between check-calling the turn/river, or check/folding the turn. I guess my decision would be based on what you know about the CO. If aggressive, maybe he would play that way with top pair? Maybe, but I doubt it.

On the turn, you're now behind to a possible flush, straight, two-pair, trips and aces. I think you're rarely ahead in this spot and can make a tough laydown.

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Um. Hero has picked up the redraw to the nut flush on the turn. No way is he folding.

Ajax410 · #6 12-10-2004, 03:16 PM

Good bet on the turn - but just call his raise - no need to get to funky with a VERY vulnerable hand which is almost certainly not best right now.

Alex

meep_42 · #7 12-10-2004, 03:17 PM

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BB's play is crazy. Why would he cap the flop and fold the turn? I just don't understand that.

I wouldn't have 3bet the turn. I would call the turn raise and check the river.

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BB had QQ, I bet. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

-d

Carmine · #8 12-10-2004, 05:51 PM

Hopefully others will correct me if I'm wrong. On the flop I believe the 3-bet is good. You have the best hand (more than likely) and you want to fold any Ax garbage you can. Keep in mind that anyone with two [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] also wants to jam the pot because they have a pot equity edge with five players.

On the turn the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] kills your KK. You went from best to worst against both Ax and [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] but you have your redraw to the nut flush. However you no longer have a pot equity edge on the turn. I then view your 3-bet here as wrong. Call the raise and check/call the river. Actually check/fold the river would be more +EV. Corrections Please.

LeftBack · #9 12-10-2004, 08:57 PM

When someone new shows aggression, it's time to slow down. CO could have picked up his second pair, or he could have been hiding a set or straight. You've got one pair with a flush draw, so play along, but don't get 3-bet.