Most Overrated Poker Skill

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Chip tricks, and it's not even close.

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LOL. That's a good answer.

[housenuts]

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Most Overrated Poker Skill

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Chip tricks, and it's not even close.

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didn't you see dutch boyd's chip trick segment in the wsop the other year? he says they are very important. essentially, if you know more tricks than the other guy, you are better

patience and rationality

interesting question.

i'd have to say... most overrated poker skill is an ABOVE average ability to deduce odds.

i am of the belief that the most important question is always, "what is he thinking?" and "do i want him to call or fold?"

yes, you need odds in these questions, but they're so easy to calculate, they' re innocuous.

i believe patience may be the most important trait of all.

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you need odds in these questions, but they're so easy to calculate, they' re innocuous.

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decent tag button raises preflop; you call (HU) in BB with 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

the flop is:

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

you check, button bets

how many outs do you have?

yeah.... good luck to you [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

i'd bet into him in the first place.

honestly, the detail that you would have checked shows me that you might be a weak player.

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Chip tricks, and it's not even close.

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What about "cheap tricks" like pretending that you're going to bet by grabbing your chips, but mucking instead. Those ploys rule.

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Most Overrated Poker Skill

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Chip tricks, and it's not even close.

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didn't you see dutch boyd's chip trick segment in the wsop the other year? he says they are very important. essentially, if you know more tricks than the other guy, you are better

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Yeah, and Dutch Boyd's been in and out of hospitals for manic-depression, so I'd discount anything he says as crazy-talk.

i never suggested that I would bet or check in this situation. to be honest against most players i would throw this in the muck preflop with such low implied odds.

all im doing is setting up a situation where you have a decision to make, not suggesting that all the actions leading up to that decision were correct

what im trying to suggest here is that odds work is not nearly as simple as a lot of new people think, its not as easy as saying: i have X outs, therefore i need Y to 1 to make this call....

discounting of outs, back door outs, chances of being ahead, and decisions affecting potential fold equity are all calculations that are incredibly complex and often debatable.

the levels of comprehension involved are massive and i think anyone that truly understands how to use odds throughout a poker hand has one of the biggest and even underrated skills in the game.