The great Muckleshoot blunder of '05 - Page 3

plaster8 · #21 03-12-2005, 11:54 PM

Monte Carlo jackpots don't work that well in bigger rooms because they always get hit and never have a chance to build. They work really well at small rooms with 4-6 tables, I think.

(I like the Monte Carlos better than bad-beat, because I actually have a chance to hit one. I know, I know, Bernie, anyone can hit a bad beat JP, but we're not all as lucky as you.) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

smoore · #22 03-13-2005, 12:00 AM

Forgive my ignorance but what's a Monte Carlo jackpot? A google search turned up nothing

plaster8 · #23 03-13-2005, 12:13 AM

A Monte Carlo is where you get a small jackpot for having quads or a straight flush. Both cards in your hand have to play, and usually there needs to be a certain amount in the pot for them to qualify.

I've hit them from $400 (quad 8s) to $1,500 (quad aces after the JP had been building for a while) at casinos ranging from two tables to four tables. They get hit a lot more often than bad-beat jackpots, so they don't usually get huge. Most places fund the royal at a higher percentage, so that's usually the highest jackpot.

smoore · #24 03-13-2005, 02:26 AM

thanks.

bobbyi · #25 03-13-2005, 06:55 AM

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Name a cardroom that gives away 100k every 4 months from a non-JP drop pool. That alone is 300k a year. Yes, I consider that rather generous.

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They're charging me 50% more rake than everywhere else I've played. I don't want to pay extra rake and then hope to get some of it back through stupid [censored] lotteries that require me to show up on weeknights for drawings. I want them to not take the money in the first place. That would be what I would call rather generous. I used to play 10/20 at the Hideaway and the rake was $2 with a $1 jackpot drop. At Tulalip, 15/30 has a $2 drop with no jackpot. At Muck, I'm paying $3 in rake and $1 in jackpot drop for every hand I win. I put up with it because I still think it's the best place to play, but at that price I'm certainly not going to start singing their praises for handing out full house tickets.

bobdibble · #26 03-13-2005, 07:20 AM

I went to the muck tonight. When I showed up at 8pm there were 2 empty tables?! By 1 only half the tables were full.

Are people boycotting the muck? If so, where is everyone going?

bernie · #27 03-13-2005, 10:15 AM

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I went to the muck tonight. When I showed up at 8pm there were 2 empty tables?! By 1 only half the tables were full.

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The last couple months have been slow in general. Usually 1 of the 2 nights, fri/sat, will be busy and the other slow.

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bernie · #28 03-13-2005, 10:31 AM

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They're charging me 50% more rake than everywhere else I've played.

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Ok, so you name 2 places, 1 that's closed. How about the other 50 casino/cardrooms in the state?

Played lil's? Great room, same rake/JP drop as mucks.

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I used to play 10/20 at the Hideaway and the rake was $2 with a $1 jackpot drop. At Tulalip, 15/30 has a $2 drop with no jackpot.

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I believe the initial $3 is standard in most rooms and has been for quite a while.

Does Tulalip only take a JP for non-red chip games? Or have they not implemented a JP yet? If not, they will. I'd be suprised if they didn't. They have other problems besides that. Everyone else in South king county has the $3 rake plus $1 JP that I know of. Hideaway 'was' the only 1 with the $2 in the seattle area + surrounding areas.

As far as using different ways to give back the JP money instead of just to 1 badbeat pool, I think is better. It also tends to favor the regulars a little more the way they do it.

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bobbyi · #29 03-13-2005, 03:12 PM

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Does Tulalip only take a JP for non-red chip games? Or have they not implemented a JP yet? If not, they will.

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They take jackpot for 10/20 and smaller. They even take it for the tournament (there is an extra entry fee and the regular jackpot can be hit in the tournaments). But they don't take it in 15/30 and up (I'm not sure if it is taken in all the no limit games). Because they players in that game made it clear that they don't want it. For all the problems they have, at least they make an effort do listen to their players. Do you think Muck is ever going to let us get rid of the jackpot for the 20/40? I don't think so.

bobbyi · #30 03-13-2005, 03:14 PM

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I went to the muck tonight. When I showed up at 8pm there were 2 empty tables?! By 1 only half the tables were full.

Are people boycotting the muck? If so, where is everyone going?

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No. Last night was a pretty typical Saturday. I think that once they started the 4/8 on table 1, they have every table going. Yeah, by 1am things had broken down quite a bit (for a brief period we had open seats in our 20/40 with no list, but then it filled back up), but that's not really unusual.