The great Muckleshoot blunder of '05

[elena_elphie]

I agree the the Muck is probably the best run room in Seattle (thought Parker's isn't bad) but after playing at the Commerce in LA for a few days it was hard to come back. Five minute wait, no smoking, free (and tasty!) food, and 20-40 games softer than our average 4-8 game here.

I kind of had hope that this jackpot debacle could lend momentum for removing the jackpot drop from the bigger games, but I honestly have mixed feeling about that since the jackpot attracts players that I would prefer to have in the game, even I personally would prefer it to be gone.

[bernie]

Did you notice the [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I added to that statement?

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but I honestly have mixed feeling about that since the jackpot attracts players that I would prefer to have in the game,

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Im not sure how one could measure it, but I think it adds a bit of action. Say the pot is $200 after all the drops. I'd think that the added JP brings in more than enough action to make up for the .5(or less)to 1% they will take out of a winning players pot.

Now the way they have it, it gives opponents less of a reason to play ATo, AJo when Im raising my dominating hands.

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[Siegmund]

You are calling the Muck's drawings generous? Alllll those FH and Quad tickets handed out every day, so they can give away a thousand dollars three days a week? It certainly looks busy the way casinos do.

But really.... for a place that is collecting something close to $5000 a day in jackpot drops day in and day out - it vanishes into a black hole.

My last trip south I played at the Last Frontier in La Center. Seven tables, and they give away $250 to the high hand every hour on the hour - that's *more* than they can collect in jackpot drops even if they drop every pot at every table.

I still went back to the Muck since it was otherwise nicer. Are other cardrooms really so stingy with jackpot payouts that the Muck looks generous? (Too bad the fish and the casino management wouldn't go for a clever idea like getting rid of both the jackpot and the drop. There's an idea I'd like.)

Jsut for the record, could a regular at the Muck give an idea how much the bad beat normally increases from one day to the next? It has always been between 30 and 32k every time I've played, and its never been changed at approximately 6PM like the sign on the wall says it will be. I am taking it on faith that they really do update it sometime every day and it does bear some relationship to how much they drop.....

[bernie]

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so they can give away a thousand dollars three days a week?

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FH drawings are given away about 30 times a week. Lowest payout, if eligible, is $100. Highest seen is 4k.

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Are other cardrooms really so stingy with jackpot payouts that the Muck looks generous?

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Name a cardroom that gives away 100k every 4 months from a non-JP drop pool. That alone is 300k a year. Yes, I consider that rather generous.

The JP has been from $600 to 70k. Average when hit was about 30k. It also goes up much faster now that the Super JP is no longer there.

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(Too bad the fish and the casino management wouldn't go for a clever idea like getting rid of both the jackpot and the drop. There's an idea I'd like.)

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Yeah. Now that would be clever. :rolls eyes:

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[Siegmund]

30 drawings a week at $100 each = fixed expense of 100k a year. They only increase past $100 when they aren't hit. And you are SURE this isn't paid for by taking a few hundred from the jackpot drop every day? (I just assumed it was jackpot money - never occurred to me that that might NOT be the source of this money, actually.)

Must-be-present-to-win drawings held only certain days of the week, incidentally = EV absolutely zero, to anyone who works those days of the week or who (like me) only gets to play for a day or two when he passes through town on business.

I don't begrudge the locals some loyalty perks. But I can think of a lot of ways I'd rather see them do it than the one they use. And they are very clever to make it look like a lot more money than it really is.

[bernie]

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I don't begrudge the locals some loyalty perks. But I can think of a lot of ways I'd rather see them do it than the one they use. And they are very clever to make it look like a lot more money than it really is

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Like what?

What other room, that has a JP drop, comes even close to the amount that mucks gives back to the players per year? Along with to as many different players that get money back instead of maybe only the ones on the badbeat tables that may happen every other month or so. Keep in mind, pretty much every cardroom in the NW has a JP drop.

Im not too happy that they don't do the 100k freeroll tourney any more. That kinda sucks.

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[bernie]

Wash St. JP law

At mucks, employees are not eligible for drawings or freerolls at any time.

According to this, the room can only keep 10% of the JP drop for administrative fees .

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[seahawktd]

Id just as soon they drop the badbeat jackpot and have a monte carlo. Course I don't really play much at the muck, so it doesnt really matter to me, lol

[bernie]

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Id just as soon they drop the badbeat jackpot and have a monte carlo.

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I like a monte carlo, but I don't think it works as well in a bigger room. That'd be alot for a floor to keep track of and take care of on busy nights. It'd be interesting to try though.

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[elena_elphie]

This already happened to me last night in the 10-20. I raised in early position with AQo and a guy in middle position folded saying "I guess I don't need to call with AT anymore since it can't hit the jackpot" *sigh*