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03-02-2005, 11:53 AM
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I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
Another hand that should have been easier to make. It's the pot odds that now bite me when making decisions.
***** Hand History for Game 1665065463 ***** 200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9988355) - Mon Feb 28 22:16:45 EST 2005 Table Table 11531 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: PowerTrader (490) Seat 4: cletwin (2580) Seat 6: Scuba_Chuk (1580) Seat 7: chalk1 (1090) Seat 8: potatowej (1160) Seat 10: grandorbust (1100) Scuba_Chuk posts small blind (100) chalk1 posts big blind (200) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Scuba_Chuk [ 9s, Ac ] potatowej folds. grandorbust folds. PowerTrader folds. cletwin folds. Scuba_Chuk raises (400) to 500 chalk1 raises (890) to 1090 chalk1 is all-In. Scuba_Chuk calls (590) Creating Main Pot with $2180 with chalk1 ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, 2d, 8c ] ** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ] ** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ] ** Summary ** Main Pot: 2180 | Board: [ 6s 2d 8c Ah 7c ] PowerTrader balance 490, didn't bet (folded) cletwin balance 2580, didn't bet (folded) Scuba_Chuk balance 490, lost 1090 [ 9s Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,9s,8c,7c ] chalk1 balance 2180, bet 1090, collected 2180, net +1090 [ Js As ] [ a pair of aces with jack kicker -- As,Ah,Js,8c,7cJs(kicker card) ] potatowej balance 1160, didn't bet (folded) grandorbust balance 1100, didn't bet (folded) Folding = 15.8% Call, win = 29.7% Call, lose = 7.4% The range of overpushing against my steal attempt here as 88+ and AJ+ (this seems pretty standard to me on the $33s) Well, as expected, A9 is a real dog against this range. Suckout city is the only way to really win. A9 has a win % of 27.4% Calling = (.274)(.297) + (.726)(.074) Calling = 13.5% of the Equity Prize Pool Folding = 15.8% I should have folded here. Guess, I just lived through what most of us have to do. I learn the most from my mistakes. Hope this exercise helped some of you as it helped me. 
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#2
03-02-2005, 11:58 AM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
Can you see what your biggest error was here?
The preflop fold is reasonably close in "You have 20 seconds" terms, so your error is raising the extra 100 preflop that made the decision more difficult. Lori
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#3
03-02-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
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your error is raising the extra 100 preflop that made the decision more difficult. [/ QUOTE ] It also makes my math slightly wrong, lol. Thanks, good point.
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#7
03-02-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
is lorinda suggesting a minraise here?
I'm suggesting making post flop easier. Pushing, raising more than 300, miniraising, all do this. Dilute to taste. Edit: I mean preflop response to a raise, not post flop. Lori
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#8
03-02-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
I see. normally I'd push this preflop considering his effective stack is 5BB and A9 does pretty well vs random hand.
Do you think it's more +EV to make a raise less than allin, then calculate ICM vs reraise allin hands and act accordingly here lorinda?
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#9
03-02-2005, 01:41 PM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
Do you think it's more +EV to make a raise less than allin, then calculate ICM vs reraise allin hands and act accordingly here lorinda?
That's a great question which I wouldn't like to answer properly without some serious thought. I'm guessing you are better off pushing because the range of hands against you could be huge given that a mini-raise would often induce a reraise. I think you'll often have to call the reraise and then you'll be in a 50-50 or 60-40 way too often compared to taking down the blinds there and then. I stress, that's my 'feel' response. Lori
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#10
03-02-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: I hate these hands, looking back at the decision - Hand 2
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Do you think it's more +EV to make a raise less than allin, then calculate ICM vs reraise allin hands and act accordingly here lorinda? [/ QUOTE ] This calculation should be done before you bet, not after. If you are willing to call a re-raise, you should just push in the first place. If you need to use a calculator to tell you if you would call a reraise, then it's probably pretty close and you should just push. If I have 32o or AA, I might min-raise. If re-raised, my decision is quite easy in either case. With A9, it's a clear push.
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