Don't understand this ($555)-Stars

[Oluwafemi]

PokerStars Game #2473678700: Tournament #12013320, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/09/01 - 15:10:50 (ET)
Table '12013320 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SheFaLLs (770 in chips)
Seat 2: MehnDaMassah (3205 in chips)
Seat 6: girlontop (5715 in chips)
Seat 9: JohnnyBax (3810 in chips)
SheFaLLs: posts the ante 25
MehnDaMassah: posts the ante 25
girlontop: posts the ante 25
JohnnyBax: posts the ante 25
JohnnyBax: posts small blind 100
SheFaLLs: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MehnDaMassah: raises 400 to 600
girlontop: folds
JohnnyBax: raises 3185 to 3785 and is all-in
SheFaLLs: calls 545 and is all-in
MehnDaMassah: calls 2580 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5d Ks]
JohnnyBax said, "oops"
*** TURN *** [Jc 5d Ks] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 5d Ks Kh] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JohnnyBax: shows [8c Jh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
MehnDaMassah: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
MehnDaMassah collected 4870 from side pot
SheFaLLs: shows [8s 9h] (a pair of Kings)
MehnDaMassah collected 2335 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7205 Main pot 2335. Side pot 4870. | Rake 0
Board [Jc 5d Ks Kh 6h]
Seat 1: SheFaLLs (big blind) showed [8s 9h] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: MehnDaMassah showed [Qs Qc] and won (7205) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 6: girlontop (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JohnnyBax (small blind) showed [8c Jh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks

[Bill Poker]

typical bubble play

[Oluwafemi]

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typical bubble play

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for who?

[wulfheir]

i typically don't call with 98o after a raise and re-raise in front of me.

[BigHobo]

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i typically don't call with 98o after a raise and re-raise in front of me.

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I love the 98 play. She figures that there is no way Massah calls with her being so close to being bubbled out. That means she can triple up while only going against one player, a player who is big-stack bullying and may not have much of a hand. If she doesn't call and Massah folds, it's pretty much lights out for her.

Of course, considering that Massah didn't fold it didn't quite work out for her as planned but I love the play.

[lorinda]

That seems reasonable.

Lori

[Roland32]

I think this is a good play. She know 1st in cant call best chance to get back in the tourney

[pokerlaw]

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i typically don't call with 98o after a raise and re-raise in front of me.

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I love the 98 play. She figures that there is no way Massah calls with her being so close to being bubbled out. That means she can triple up while only going against one player, a player who is big-stack bullying and may not have much of a hand. If she doesn't call and Massah folds, it's pretty much lights out for her.

Of course, considering that Massah didn't fold it didn't quite work out for her as planned but I love the play.

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yeah, your logic is pretty much what I was thinking the rationale would be. The way the stacks are situated, the small stack has such a small chance of making the money that their best hope is to triple up now, and this is a great time to do so considering they are in the BB and that the original raisor is calling with only a monster.

this leaves one/ question in my mind - we "know" that the original raisor is only calling w/ a monster, the raisor presumably knows that too, no?

Assuming he knows this, he was baiting Bax w/ the QQ expecting the RR, right? If he wasn't, he would have raised more PF to discourage someone from coming over-the-top, no? given that QQ is far from invincible, and a loss pretty much eliminates the chance at first, this is fairly risky, especially if you tighten Bax's RR standards, though if they were really tight the point of making a bait play is somewhat lost, right?

ok, i have a headache [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Nacarno]

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I love the 98 play. She figures that there is no way Massah calls with her being so close to being bubbled out. That means she can triple up while only going against one player, a player who is big-stack bullying and may not have much of a hand. If she doesn't call and Massah folds, it's pretty much lights out for her.

Of course, considering that Massah didn't fold it didn't quite work out for her as planned but I love the play.

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Why does Massah have to call with only a monster here? Once the shorty calls, a call from Massah means She has to beat two players if Massah calls. Knowing Bax has some pretty loose reraising standards here, this seems like a good chance to try and more than double up with a strong (but not a monster) hand.

[Oluwafemi]

actually, i'm looking at Johnny's play. i definitely would've folded my 9 8o though.