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I'm a loser | 10 | 27.78% | |
I'm a playa, but the season is on hold due to lockout | 5 | 13.89% | |
I'm a playa, and I'm playing | 0 | 0% | |
I got me some new ass for the next little while | 1 | 2.78% | |
Attached, but looking for a way out | 0 | 0% | |
Attached and damn happy about it | 5 | 13.89% | |
Widowed :-( | 0 | 0% | |
I'm finally free of that mess (but half my stuff is gone) | 1 | 2.78% | |
Engaged | 1 | 2.78% | |
Married, but not for the first time | 1 | 2.78% | |
Married.... for now | 1 | 2.78% | |
Married and doomed to have sex with the same person for the rest of my life | 11 | 30.56% | |
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll |
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Re: Which street is worst?
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[ QUOTE ] so basically Im betting to charge the lone clubs [/ QUOTE ] You're charging the lone clubs with queen high? [/ QUOTE ] why not? even if they have Ace or King high, arent I still getting value if they will fold the river when they miss? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] set up my river bluff [/ QUOTE ] When you bet the turn the pot is 4.75 BB. If we assume between 1 and 2 opponents will call the turn, you will risk 2BB (turn + river) to win either 5.75 BB or 6.75 BB (average of 6.25BB). This is about 3:1. Sometimes these guys will hit their draws or, since they act first, can bluff before you can. Also it is possible that one does, in fact, hold a small pair (couldn't MP have 44 or 55?). And if one holds the ace of clubs you will often be called on the river. On top of that, you will sometimes be checkraised on the turn which won't allow you to complete your 2 barrel bluff and sometimes this causes you to forfeit some equity in the pot (if you have outs). The whole 2bet parlay just doesn't work enough. When you are on the river , however, the pot is pretty large since you bet the turn and your opponents river action (and the river card) give you information to make a +EV river bet. [/ QUOTE ] I think chances of them holding a small pair and chances of them checkraising are really small. I agree the parlay probably doenst work quite often enough, but I dont think its as bad as some have suggested. |
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why not? even if they have Ace or King high, arent I still getting value if they will fold the river when they miss? [/ QUOTE ] The way I look at it, you're giving up value on the turn in order to make a +EV bluff on the river. The river is where you can realize any "value." On the turn, if you are called, your opponents are the ones getting the value usually. |
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Re: Which street is worst?
easily the turn, which is prob the only street u misplayed...
preflop is 100% correct. flop, meh. turn, whyyyyy?? river, i wouldve most likely checked and i think i should be bluffing here more often... too often i check down trying to save a bet and keep my image intact and lose to Khigh... i like the bet. |
#4
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Re: Which street is worst?
Flop.
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Flop. [/ QUOTE ] wow, i thought flop was probably the best, i obviously have some serious problems with my game. |
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Flop. [/ QUOTE ] I am so glad you said this! I thought i crazy, WTF IS EVERYONE THINKING? we're 5 handed, people opening stardards are basically any two cards, and the flop is like 866. How are we not betting this in position? IMO, the flop and turn are close in terms of total badness, because no one is folding a club, 5, or 9 now. That turn card is a BAAAD card to bluff at. Preflop isnt that bad, this 3 bet is one you need to make from time to time to keep people honest shorthanded, just as long as its not your standard line here. |
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[ QUOTE ] Flop. [/ QUOTE ] I am so glad you said this! I thought i crazy, WTF IS EVERYONE THINKING? we're 5 handed, people opening stardards are basically any two cards, and the flop is like 866. How are we not betting this in position? IMO, the flop and turn are close in terms of total badness, because no one is folding a club, 5, or 9 now. That turn card is a BAAAD card to bluff at. Preflop isnt that bad, this 3 bet is one you need to make from time to time to keep people honest shorthanded, just as long as its not your standard line here. [/ QUOTE ] Im arguing with people way better than me, but IMO, you dont have the best hand on this flop, and no one is folding on this flop, so why put in money with the worst hand and no chance to win it outright? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Flop. [/ QUOTE ] I am so glad you said this! I thought i crazy, WTF IS EVERYONE THINKING? we're 5 handed, people opening stardards are basically any two cards, and the flop is like 866. How are we not betting this in position? IMO, the flop and turn are close in terms of total badness, because no one is folding a club, 5, or 9 now. That turn card is a BAAAD card to bluff at. Preflop isnt that bad, this 3 bet is one you need to make from time to time to keep people honest shorthanded, just as long as its not your standard line here. [/ QUOTE ] Im arguing with people way better than me, but IMO, you dont have the best hand on this flop, and no one is folding on this flop, so why put in money with the worst hand and no chance to win it outright? [/ QUOTE ] yeah this is my thought. I have almost no fold equity and I think by checking the flop I actually have a better chance of taking it down on the turn if it bricks and they check to me again. (Obviously this turn was not a brick) |
#9
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Re: Which street is worst?
I think flop is bad if preflop is good. But preflop is almost certainly bad so flop is good, but flop is good and then the turn is bad, the river is good.
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