The Good, The Bad....The Ugly? (9/12)

Harv72b · #1 09-12-2005, 10:50 PM

Short session tonight as I'm dead tired after staying up too late last night & working too long today. Couldn't find any decent 3/6 tables, so I'm 3-tabling 2/4 as these hands occur.

The same principle as always applies--I think I played one of these hands well, and the other one poorly. Any & all comments, criticisms, or suggestions are greatly appreciated. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hand 1

Reads: MP2 is unknown, but has played 7 of his first 10 hands at this table. I only have about 40 hands (over two sessions) on the BB, but he's seemed very TAG-ish over that span. I'm about 2 orbits into the game on this table & haven't been involved in many pots; I won the only showdown I went to with AQ unimproved. Of the other limpers, the only one I have a read on is UTG, who is loose & very bad.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB
Main Pot: 17.50 BB, between Hero and MP2

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Hand 2

Reads: My first hand at the table, but I've had it open & waitlisted for a while and have some hands on my opponents. UTG has been very LAGgy over that period, with numbers around 40/20/2 (about 30 hands).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB
Main Pot: 7.25 BB, between Hero, UTG and UTG+1.

Justin A · #2 09-13-2005, 12:57 AM

I think you should fold preflop in hand two.

newhizzle · #3 09-13-2005, 01:03 AM

i like hand 1, i think even against someone with a 20% PFR this is a marginal PF call, simply for the fact that if you dont hit anything your not going to be able to knock this guy off a hand, the rest i guess is ok against a maniac

#4 09-13-2005, 01:11 AM

Hand 2 I would fold preflop. With the UTG raise I think there are very few hands he plays here that you can beat.

(Doesn't hurt that I was sitting at the table and over 300 hands his numbers are definitely TA/Pish)

Knoler · #5 09-13-2005, 04:32 AM

In hand two, the PF call is fine. Even if I pokerstove this guy and give him an 8% range of raising hands, we're still making a mistake by folding when we're getting 3:1.

I probably peel on the flop since I have some BD flush outs along with my 2-pair outs, but then I fold the turn barring a good read that this guy is a total aggro moron.

Hand 1 looks A-OK to me.

-Brian

Bodhi · #6 09-13-2005, 04:39 AM

Hand #1, raise preflop.

Hand #2, easy fold preflop. It's funny that I just posted a hand where I call in the BB with J5s, but that's with other callers along to give me odds. Here you're spewing.

restless · #7 09-13-2005, 06:27 AM

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In hand two, the PF call is fine. Even if I pokerstove this guy and give him an 8% range of raising hands, we're still making a mistake by folding when we're getting 3:1.

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This is probably only true if Hero has exactly 1 SB left...
A lot of those "wins" as recorded by PokerStove comes from for example rivering a 6 on a board full of overcards etc etc. You can't give yourself that equity unless you plan to go to the river / showdown no matter what.

garion888 · #8 09-13-2005, 07:32 AM

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Hand #1, raise preflop.

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Unless hero can dump it when he needs to everytime I don't think this raise is so clear. I don't think I like playing AT into 3-4 others. If it were suited I'd say its a clear raise.

@bsolute_luck · #9 09-13-2005, 07:43 AM

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Hand #1, raise preflop.

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anybody else think this is a bad idea? if not, help me understand why.

hobbsmann · #10 09-13-2005, 09:48 AM

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Hand #1, raise preflop.

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anybody else think this is a bad idea? if not, help me understand why.

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It's close, but not really a bad idea. Depending on the looseness of the blinds this swings between raise and call for me.