A more retarded hand of PLO8 you wont see in a long time.

Ribbo · #1 11-18-2005, 08:48 PM

Two points, 1: position is irrelevant in games where everyone shoves. A577 utg is just the same as A577 on the button. 2: If you want to be a profitable player you have to play very loose preflop for 1 bet and recognise every flop where you have a good draw and fold the rest. Why would I ever want to fold A577 preflop for 1 bet when I can put $200 more in post flop 4 handed against people with 4% equity on the flop? The reason I win is I'm better post flop than other players. You however aren't, so yeah you shouldn't play it post flop.

#2 11-19-2005, 05:27 PM

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Two points, 1: position is irrelevant in games where everyone shoves. A577 utg is just the same as A577 on the button. 2: If you want to be a profitable player you have to play very loose preflop for 1 bet and recognise every flop where you have a good draw and fold the rest. Why would I ever want to fold A577 preflop for 1 bet when I can put $200 more in post flop 4 handed against people with 4% equity on the flop?

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rimjob ribbo , how do you know youre going to be able to see the flop for 1 bet if youre calling utg?? Thats the whole thing about position if youre on the button yes you can play it for 1 bet, utg you dont know how much its gonna cost you until the blinds act.

Ribbo · #3 11-20-2005, 01:54 AM

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Two points, 1: position is irrelevant in games where everyone shoves. A577 utg is just the same as A577 on the button. 2: If you want to be a profitable player you have to play very loose preflop for 1 bet and recognise every flop where you have a good draw and fold the rest. Why would I ever want to fold A577 preflop for 1 bet when I can put $200 more in post flop 4 handed against people with 4% equity on the flop?

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rimjob ribbo , how do you know youre going to be able to see the flop for 1 bet if youre calling utg?? Thats the whole thing about position if youre on the button yes you can play it for 1 bet, utg you dont know how much its gonna cost you until the blinds act.

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So what you're saying in your dumb stupid way is that when I limp in, everyone on the table should know I have A2. Sorry homeslice, wont happen. If you want to raise my utg limp then go ahead, because I might checkraise you with my AA2x. A winning player plays a lot of hands preflop, the only difference is he doesn't stick around on bad flops. I play any hand that has the potential for big flops, suited aces in a loose game are gold.

#4 11-20-2005, 02:26 AM

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I play any hand that has the potential for big flops, suited aces in a loose game are gold.

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A single suited ace is 6% to hit a flush by the river (including paired boards). It has a 119-1 chance of flopping a flush.

So, with a single suited A you're adding <6% (probably around 5%, including paired boards) to the value of your HIGH HAND ONLY. How is this 'gold'?

You basically played A577 with a few percent added to its equity. The only good flops you're going to get with any kind of playable equity are

- A flush draw on a high board (~5% of the time - hits 1/3 of that)
- A flush draw on a lo draw board (~5% of the time - is there even any equity here?)
- 77 set on a high board (probably your best bet - but less than 4% of the time)
- 77 set on two or three low board (~6% of the time, some equity, but very little long term profit when money is going in)
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If you're doing this for 'image' (like your posts), then fine. But don't claim it's profitable hand from EP.

Ribbo · #5 11-20-2005, 02:28 AM

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I play any hand that has the potential for big flops, suited aces in a loose game are gold.

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A single suited ace is 6% to hit a flush by the river (including paired boards). It has a 119-1 chance of flopping a flush.

So, with a single suited A you're adding <6% (probably around 5%, including paired boards) to the value of your HIGH HAND ONLY. How is this 'gold'?

You basically played A577 with a few percent added to its equity. The only good flops you're going to get with any kind of playable equity are

- A flush draw on a high board (~5% of the time - hits 1/3 of that)
- A flush draw on a lo draw board (~5% of the time - is there even any equity here?)
- 77 set on a high board (probably your best bet - but less than 4% of the time)
- 77 set on two or three low board (~6% of the time, some equity, but very little long term profit when money is going in)
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If you're doing this for 'image' (like your posts), then fine. But don't claim it's profitable hand from EP.

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Of course it is a profitable hand from early position, in the right game and also in the right player. This isn't limit O8. In pot limit, 1 bet can go in while behind and 199 bets can go in post flop when ahead. That's why the hand is profitable.