A/10o in LP - Too aggro PF?

[istewart]

Actually...

With jacks (majority of the time), spades, and occasionally aces winning it for him, can't that make a raise a good play? That and you wouldn't mind people folding A7, etc.

[GrunchCan]

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So, it sounds like maybe the error here is not that I don't have pot odds for the raise, but that the raise is actually diluting my total equity in the pot? (Because I would need at least 5 callers to keep the pot odds as favorable?) I guess rather than trying to maximize the pot size in this situation, I want to maximize my equity. (Or conversely, keep my pot odds as high as possible.) Yes?

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Pot odds don't tell you wether you should be aggressive or passive. Pot odds tell you wether you can continue or should fold.

Pot equity tells you wether you should be aggressive by betting & raising or pasive by checking & calling.

There's nothing you can do to change your equity. You action will effect your pot odds on future streets, but that is never a reason to bet, raise or call.

[UncleSalty]

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With a 10BB+ pot I thought that having 20% equity would mean I can raise to 2BB with multiple callers. No? Am I totally misinterpreting SSH here?

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You're confusing pot equity with pot odds.

Pot equity (actually, pot equity edge) is computed by comparing the chance that you will win the pot with what your "fair share" is. You determine what your fair share is by counting the number of opponents.

In this hand, you have around 20% pot equity becasue you will improve to the best hand and win about 20% of the time. (Count & discount the outs to determine this.) But there are a total of 5 people contending for the pot, including yourself. So your fair share is 1/5, or 20%. If your pot equity is more than youjr fair share, you have a pot equity edge, and you should raise. If you don't have an equity edge, it might be right to call (pot odds tell you this), but you can't raise for value.

Make sense?


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I guess I called the river because I thought A high could be the best hand about 10% of the time.

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There is absolutely no way your hand is best 10% of the time here. There are lots of clues, but one real big clue is the fact that the villan bet in to the PF raiser (you) and kept the pressure on through the turn. He likes his hand.

I would say A high is best maybe 1% of the time. Less, even.

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Much clearer, thanks.

[UncleSalty]

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So, it sounds like maybe the error here is not that I don't have pot odds for the raise, but that the raise is actually diluting my total equity in the pot? (Because I would need at least 5 callers to keep the pot odds as favorable?) I guess rather than trying to maximize the pot size in this situation, I want to maximize my equity. (Or conversely, keep my pot odds as high as possible.) Yes?

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Pot odds don't tell you wether you should be aggressive or passive. Pot odds tell you wether you can continue or should fold.

Pot equity tells you wether you should be aggressive by betting & raising or pasive by checking & calling.

There's nothing you can do to change your equity. You action will effect your pot odds on future streets, but that is never a reason to bet, raise or call.

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This is an eye opener. I have been assuming for six months now that pot odds and pot equity were simply 2 different ways of making the same decision. Wow. That's gonna change my post-flop game immensely.

Thanks Grunch