Nut str8 on flop, worse(?) draw than opponent.....

#1 10-20-2005, 04:56 AM

I would appreciate some comments on this hand.....
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($91)
CO ($159.45)
Button ($20.50)
SB ($32.50)
BB ($100)
UTG ($98)
UTG+1 ($83.45)
MP1 ($331.65)
MP2 ($81.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $5.7, MP1 calls $5.70, Hero raises to $28.5, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $82.45, MP1 folds, Hero?

Now what?

joewatch · #2 10-20-2005, 05:03 AM

Get out of my game! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway, raising the flop here is a bad idea.

Finally, use the converter, it works great for Stars.
http://www.selachian.com/tools/bison...hconverter.cgi

#3 10-20-2005, 05:44 AM

so you dont want beginners like me at your table?

joewatch · #4 10-20-2005, 01:39 PM

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so you dont want beginners like me at your table?

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No, of course you're welcome, I'm just kidding. It's just weird to see my name being posted in a hand - most people use the converter to change it to "villain" or whatever.

psyduck · #5 10-20-2005, 05:55 PM

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Get out of my game! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway, raising the flop here is a bad idea.

Finally, use the converter, it works great for Stars.
http://www.selachian.com/tools/bison...hconverter.cgi

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Why is raising the flop bad?

joewatch · #6 10-20-2005, 06:15 PM

Raising the flop is bad because you will only win a small pot, lose a big one, or split.

In this situation, since you have a back-door flush draw, flat call; if the turn makes somebody else a bigger str8, completes the diamond flush, or pairs, then it's time to muck. If the turn is a heart, then you can raise it up.

As a matter of fact, given that this was unraised preflop, folding your flopped nut str8 with weak redraw isn't a bad play either. There are way too many bad cards that can come on the turn to wreck your hand.

psyduck · #7 10-20-2005, 06:21 PM

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Raising the flop is bad because you will only win a small pot, lose a big one, or split.

In this situation, since you have a back-door flush draw, flat call; if the turn makes somebody else a bigger str8, completes the diamond flush, or pairs, then it's time to muck. If the turn is a heart, then you can raise it up.

As a matter of fact, given that this was unraised preflop, folding your flopped nut str8 with weak redraw isn't a bad play either. There are way too many bad cards that can come on the turn to wreck your hand.

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jesus... omaha is so different from Hold'em. folding the nuts because of a weak redraw is crazy from the perspective of a pure HE player.

thanks for the insight.