Two pair laydown

wall_st · #1 09-16-2005, 08:26 PM

I pretty much butchered this one, should I be pumping the flop here ? At the time I was new to the table and had little as far as reads went.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($37.85)
CO ($98)
Button ($204.50)
SB ($463.95)
Hero ($98.40)
UTG ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Button raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5, Hero raises to $15,Button moves all in Hero folds.

Final Pot: $32.50

Folding seemed standard here. I think I should have pumped the flop, but for how much ?

thanks

#2 09-16-2005, 08:30 PM

really weak IMO. you don't think he does this with AK/AQ? only thing he could have you are losing to is a set, and the only reason thing there is 88. sorry, but i take my chips, shove them in there and see what happens. he could do this with A8s or A9s for all you know.

ajmargarine · #3 09-16-2005, 08:33 PM

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Folding seemed standard here.

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I actually think you are good here quite a bit, and might have called. C/c'ing the flop is OK, but then leading the turn is probably better than a c/r, IMO.

JeanieJ · #4 09-16-2005, 08:57 PM

I raise the flop there almost everytime. If he happens to be on a draw I don't want him to get it too cheaply, and perhaps he'll go overboard with AK or AQ thinking it's best.

gol4pro · #5 09-16-2005, 09:25 PM

I think you see AK/AQ 3x as often as AA/JJ (especially since you have 1 of each).

Maybe even A9?

wall_st · #6 09-16-2005, 09:46 PM

I wasn't worried about a set at all here.

I was very concerned about q10. The turn all in signaled A LOT of strength. I mean he 3 bet me all in yea sometimes you see AK, AQ do this. But I think considering the min raise pre flop it is very unlikely he held a hand this strong.

JeanieJ · #7 09-16-2005, 10:29 PM

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I wasn't worried about a set at all here.

[/ QUOTE ]Any reason why? I know AA and JJ are unlikely given you hold one of each but it isn't impossible, right?

In my mind I'm calling this almost every time. He could be on a weaker two pair or an overplayed AK/AQ/A9. A set seems unlikely but not unheard of.

The turn all-in made you think of strength, but don't you think he would push whatever his hand might be here anyway? He's probably not fearing a straight from you on this card so maybe he believes he can get you to fold the best hand.

I'm still not decided on the hand. I would probably call but it wouldn't amaze me if I lost. I believe you'll be ahead enough times to make this call profitable.

Just my thoughts.

djoyce003 · #8 09-16-2005, 11:26 PM

I'd raise the flop...if he played back at me there, i'd probably shove my chips in.

I _have_ seen people on party min raising little pocket pairs and AA lately so I don't think 88 is out of the realm of possibility here.