The Oaks Cardroom - Emeryville (Poor decision making)

[Derek in NYC]

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I happen to be a law student

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Get over your 1L understanding of how the world works. Your claims to legal rights reflect a fundamental lack of understanding about "legality." This was not a tort, this was not a contract question. At best, this is a regulatory issue. The fact that none of your posts once mentioned a complaint to the relevant California gaming authorities speaks volumes about your ignorance of the law. Repeat after me: "None of my legal rights were violated; I have no legal remedy." Now go re-read Hawkins v. McGee and make sure to look up assumpsit in Black's, because your first year contract final is coming up.

[M2d]

The oaks has the second best regular 15 game in the bay area and the best regular 30 game in the bay area

[xniNja]

Ok, I'm starting to get the style of the 2+2 boards. I don't consider anything posted by Derek as relevant to intelligent discussion, and thus will respond accordingly: If you knew anything about the law, you'd know that civil suits in California have more than a 5 to 1 success rate versus an indictment involving federal law. I'm not going to get into law with you; I don't think you know the first thing about it. At the risk of sounding condescending, I'm 100% sure I could win a legal suit against the oaks for $150, but that isn't worthwhile.

Derek, some people have ambition in life- and some of that ambition may not always involve money- people care about principles as well.

To whoever said that the Oaks has the best regular 15-30 games (and up) in the bay area has not been to Bay 101 (the best,) garden city, or probably anywhere else. That's a pretty absurd claim I think anyone who has been to any other casino besides the Oaks in the bay area would dispute.

-NM

[Soya]

Perhaps this will help you see why you are having trouble drumming up some credibility. You say you are 100% sure you could win a legal suit against the Oaks, when you are actually 100% wrong and here's why:
As we have discussed, California's long-standing public policy regarding gambling is a broad, strong policy against judicial resolution of civil claims arising out of gambling contracts or transactions, and this public policy, in the absence of a statutory right to bring such claims, applies to both actions for recovery of gambling losses and actions to enforce gambling debts.
Kelly v. First Astri Co., 72 Cal.App.4th 462, 489 (And, yes this is true even if the gaming is legal)
So while you might have gotten screwed you have no legal recourse.

[M2d]

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To whoever said that the Oaks has the best regular 15-30 games (and up) in the bay area has not been to Bay 101 (the best,) garden city, or probably anywhere else. That's a pretty absurd claim I think anyone who has been to any other casino besides the Oaks in the bay area would dispute.

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Learn to read. I said that the Oaks has the second best 15 game in the bay area and the second best 30 game in the area. No "and up".
btw, GC and 101 don't spread 15-30 or 30-60.

[xniNja]

I appreciate your intent Soya, but my claim has nothing to do with gambling losses or debts. M2d, what's the first? What do you base that on? I won't scroll up, but I'm pretty sure you said it had the best 30 game, but I could be wrong. I may have misunderstood you originally; I've played the 20-40 games and up at bay 101 and also the 15-30 game at Oaks, which I don't consider a particularly great game. I think it's common wisdom that for those who have the bankroll, Bay 101 is where the money is at in the bay area.

[AngusThermopyle]

You are gonna make one great lawyer.

You are presented with a relevant citation and are too arrogant to look it up and read it. Part of his reply was lifted directly from the opinion.

The case involved the right to sue in a situation where the plaintiff had been undeniably cheated.

And the Ca Appelate Court said he could not sue to recover the money that he had been cheated out of.

[Soya]

I hate to break it to you, but your claim that a cardroom owes you $150 is most definitely a gambling loss. Read the case I cited for more info.
Your casual dismissal of any argument suggesting that you are either wrong or overreacting is giving me some grave doubt about the ability of my alma matter to pump out quality lawyers.

[Soviet Exile]

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Side note: I've played at the Oaks several times in the past, and never had a problem. I would bet good money that this is a very isolated incident.

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They are generally pretty good, but I'd say Boomer is a bit shaky as a floorman. Hannah's kind of a weak dealer too.

[Soviet Exile]

That 30 game did look pretty juicy on Saturday morning.