99 per cent of players will one day be cheating...? Party comments.

[Adam22]

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It was after the hand was over. Apparently after I mucked they could detect my cards.

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After the hand is over you can request a hand history... why do you think he could not do it during the hand? Give me a break I cant beleve you fell for this.

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he's talking about a hand in which he folded before the river, dunce cap.

[scrapperdog]

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It was after the hand was over. Apparently after I mucked they could detect my cards.

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After the hand is over you can request a hand history... why do you think he could not do it during the hand? Give me a break I cant beleve you fell for this.

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he's talking about a hand in which he folded before the river, dunce cap.

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Plz dont argue you are gonna make this look even dumber, genius.

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I have no idea. It was just unsettling to have a guy say "Yeah, I would've cold-called that" after I picked it up with a bluff on the turn when it was checked to me. I asked him what I had cold-called a raise with, and he told me Big Slick, diamonds. he could have been IMing the other guy people's cards and he was also telling people their cards after mucking before showdown.

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The only way this could happen is if he had managed to plant Trojans on the computers of multiple players at the table.

This is so unlikely I would say it might as well be impossible.

Uh, no.. I reread his posts and he talks about picking up a card on the turn, not folding at it..

With ACE HUD on and PT, I can see what you muck at showdown all day long.. they just got under his skin and chased him off (dumb move IMO)...

It is not cheating, just using the available information to it's fullest..

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It was after the hand was over. Apparently after I mucked they could detect my cards.

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After the hand is over you can request a hand history... why do you think he could not do it during the hand? Give me a break I cant beleve you fell for this.

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he's talking about a hand in which he folded before the river, dunce cap.

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[Jimmy The Fish]

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I have no idea. It was just unsettling to have a guy say "Yeah, I would've cold-called that" after I picked it up with a bluff on the turn when it was checked to me. I asked him what I had cold-called a raise with, and he told me Big Slick, diamonds. he could have been IMing the other guy people's cards and he was also telling people their cards after mucking before showdown.

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The only way this could happen is if he had managed to plant Trojans on the computers of multiple players at the table.

This is so unlikely I would say it might as well be impossible.

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Stars captures table chat as part of its hand histories. If this actually happened, his HHs would show his hole cards in one hand, and the conversation in the next hand where Psychic Friends A and B spew information they shouldn't have.

If this is true, a trojan is the primary suspect. But more importantly, Stars management should have been sent those HHs for investigation/enforcement.

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[scrapperdog]

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If this is true, a trojan is the primary suspect.

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Read what I posted again please.

Alright, I e-mailed Pokerstars about this.

My memory wasn't spot on, and he didn't tell me the suits of the cards. The hand was checked to me on the flop, which I bet when checked to. Table was a .10nl (big money).

The one thing I can at least take some comfort in is there was no way he saw the cards before the hand was completed, as he made some absolutely terrible calls on the table.

Here are the e-mails:

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Hello Jeremy,

Absolutely. I have appended the applicable chatlog to the end of this
email
for your review. You remembered it correctly for the most part, but he
didn't actually mention diamonds there. Betting Ace-King on a flop that
misses you (and likely everyone else) is a well-known continuation bet
since you showed aggression preflop, so guessing that someone has "Big
Slick" there is really not too out of hand!

If you have any other requests, please do not hesitate to ask.

Regards,

Kyle
PokerStars Support Team

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tony buffony probally lose but i'll call 9 9/20/2005 9:33:02 PM
tony buffony yep 9 9/20/2005 9:33:13 PM
tony buffony Q 9 9/20/2005 9:33:24 PM
FinCom I'd call it too. gh 6 9/20/2005 9:34:10 PM
Requiem1010 thanks 8 9/20/2005 9:34:32 PM
Requiem1010 heh you know what I had huh? 8 9/20/2005 9:34:39 PM
tony buffony yah blig slick 9 9/20/2005 9:34:52 PM
tony buffony nice man 9 9/20/2005 9:35:00 PM
Requiem1010 yessssss



----- Original Message -----
From: requiem1010
Sent: 2005/11/06 19:29:23
To: support@pokerstars.com
Subject: RE: Something that's been bothering me for awhile

>Hello Kyle,
>
>Is it possible you could provide the entire chatlog
>for the table session?
>
>Thank you,
>Jeremy
>
>
>--- PokerStars Support <support@pokerstars.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jeremy,
>>
>> Thank you for your email. As you probably know,
>> PokerStars takes the
>> integrity of our games extremely seriously. I am one
>> of several well-
>> trained individuals that are part of a dedicated
>> anti-collusion / poker
>> research team that work around the clock, seven days
>> a week to ensure that
>> we're one of the most secure and safe poker sites on
>> the Internet. We
>> monitor suspicious deposits, cash and tournament
>> play, and routine security
>> issues.
>>
>> If a shuffle is designed or implemented poorly with
>> little entropy, it can
>> be cracked. However, a properly designed and
>> implemented shuffle can not be
>> practically cracked. Our shuffle, takes entropy
>> combined from two sources:
>>
>> a.. user input, including summary of mouse movements
>> and events
>> timing, collected from client software;
>> b.. true hardware random number generator developed
>> by Intel, which
>> uses thermal noise as an entropy source.
>>
>> Each one of these sources would be sufficient to
>> have an unbreakable
>> shuffle. In addition we have dealt over
>> 2,750,000,000 hands and have
>> seen no evidence where a player's actions could be
>> explained by knowing
>> what cards are coming.
>>
>> Because of these reasons, it is extremely unlikely
>> that a hacker can break
>> into our site. We have never had any proof or
>> serious indication that any
>> players are using a hacker program on our site. We
>> have also never banned
>> anyone from our site for using a hacker program on
>> our site.
>>
>> I can assure you that we have state of the art
>> defense and detection for
>> hackers. For details, please see our Web site at:
>> http://www.pokerstars.com/security.html
>>
>> As for your specific situation with the person
>> guessing that you held AKd,
>> you might be surprised at the ability of players to
>> make educational
>> guesses based on the betting patterns of specific
>> opponents. In the age of
>> the Internet with near limitless
>> information-collecting abilities, it is
>> entirely possible that someone got a very good read
>> on you.
>>
>> I hope I have helped to alleviate your concerns. If
>> you have any other
>> questions, please let us know.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kyle
>> PokerStars Support Team
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: requiem1010
>> Sent: 2005/11/06 18:12:33
>> To: support@pokerstars.com
>> Subject: Something that's been bothering me for
>> awhile
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >This issue has been bothering me for a little over
>> a
>> >month, and relates to a real money table.
>> >
>> >This was brought up on the 2+2 forums:
>> >
>> >http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?
>> Cat=0&Number=3869229&an=0&page=0&g onew=1#UNREAD
>> >
>> >I am posting under the name Requiem1010 (same as my
>> >account name on Stars).
>> >
>> >The issue relates to cheating at the tables.
>> >
>> >On September 20, I was playing on .05/.10nl table
>> ID
>> >Sita III. After this hand:
>> >
>> >POKERSTARS GAME #2623418586: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT
>> >($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/09/20 - 21:33:14 (ET)
>> >Table 'Sita III' Seat #3 is the button
>> >Seat 1: gjbone ($9.40 in chips)
>> >Seat 2: MOOK #8 ($4 in chips)
>> >Seat 3: ygperry ($9.70 in chips)
>> >Seat 5: DrLosi ($9.45 in chips)
>> >Seat 6: FinCom ($12.90 in chips)
>> >Seat 7: syker ($8.50 in chips)
>> >Seat 8: Requiem1010 ($9.70 in chips)
>> >Seat 9: tony buffony ($8.85 in chips)
>> >naChoZ will be allowed to play after the button
>> >DrLosi: posts small blind $0.05
>> >FinCom: posts big blind $0.10
>> >gjbone: posts big blind $0.10
>> >MOOK #8: posts big blind $0.10
>> >*** HOLE CARDS ***
>> >Dealt to Requiem1010 [Ad Kd]
>> >tony buffony said, "Q"
>> >syker: raises $0.30 to $0.40
>> >Requiem1010: calls $0.40
>> >tony buffony: folds
>> >gjbone: folds
>> >MOOK #8: folds
>> >ygperry: folds
>> >DrLosi: folds
>> >FinCom: folds
>> >*** FLOP *** [7h 2s 6s]
>> >syker: checks
>> >Requiem1010: bets $0.70
>> >syker: folds
>> >Requiem1010 collected $1.10 from pot
>> >Requiem1010: doesn't show hand
>> >*** SUMMARY ***
>> >Total pot $1.15 | Rake $0.05
>> >Board [7h 2s 6s]
>> >Seat 1: gjbone folded before Flop
>> >Seat 2: MOOK #8 folded before Flop
>> >Seat 3: ygperry (button) folded before Flop (didn't
>> >bet)
>> >Seat 5: DrLosi (small blind) folded before Flop
>> >Seat 6: FinCom (big blind) folded before Flop
>> >Seat 7: syker folded on the Flop
>> >Seat 8: Requiem1010 collected ($1.10)
>> >Seat 9: tony buffony folded before Flop (didn't
>> bet)
>> >
>> >There was some chat that followed after this hand
>> that
>> >was very unsettling. Tony Buffony told me exactly
>> what
>> >my hand was (AK of diamonds), which I mucked after
>> >bluffing the pot. This hand did not go to showdown.
>> >
>> >Do you still have the chatlog following this hand?
>> I'd
>> >appreciate if someone could look into this and find
>> >out how he could have figured out my hand- it
>> seemed
>> >rather unfair for players to know with what
>> frequency
>> >I was cold-calling and bluffing at pots with.
>> >
>> >I believe the chat after the hand went something
>> along
>> >the lines of:
>> >
>> >Tony Buffony: I'd have cold-called preflop with
>> that
>> >Requiem1010: What did I have?
>> >Tony Buffony: Big slick
>> >Requiem1010:What suit?
>> >Tony: Diamonds.
>> >
>> >The converstaion occurred between hands, and it
>> >doesn't show up in my hand histories.
>> >
>> >Could you investigate this and tell me if I have a
>> >trojan installed or if he was using some sort of
>> >card-detecting program.
>> >
>> >Thank you,
>> >Jeremy (Requiem1010)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Take it for what it's worth. He could have possibly just been taking blind guesses and getting right, but it creeped me out and I ended up leaving shortly thereafter.

Sorry about the mistakes in my posts earlier in the thread, hope I didn't cause anyone to mistrust the Stars system.

[Swedebubba]

Not to sidetrack this post but your response from Kyle of Pokerstarts shows why their support is superior to all the other poker rooms. Heck, the guy even understands continuation bets - try finding a Party Poker rep that if knows what continuation means.

[teddyFBI]

Thanks for posting that email log -- interesting (100 internet points to anyone who can get a party rep to use "entropy" correctly in a sentence).

Sorry to be a dick about this, but basically this thread boiled down to you making false claims about what he actually said in the chatbox, most of 2+2 calling bullshit on you, and it turning out that we were right and you were wrong. I'm sure it was unintentional and all, but now you understand the visceral negative reactions to your post. I have probably called ppl out on Ak bluff continuation bets several dozen times myself and prob been right on more than half of them. "Mystery" solved.