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05-21-2005, 11:55 PM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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Do you think the scenario where a predator cares for the prey when another predator (of the same species as the other predator) kills it is possible? [/ QUOTE ] My sister has a cat and it takes very good care of our African Grey and Amazon Redlord. My dog einstein has no problem getting along with our cat. I have a buddy that owned some wolves. They were not only very protective of the owner, but protected the owners livestock from other wolves. Is that good enough? 
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#22
05-21-2005, 11:58 PM
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ok i guess that im a hypocrite then. i think the true feeling that i possess is a bit of guilt. [/ QUOTE ] With veal you are a hypocrite. You are going out of your way to support the torture you despise. With chicken you have to go out of your way and pay more money to avoid the torture. So as long as you eat veal you are a hypocrite, but chicken is fine IMO.
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#23
05-22-2005, 12:03 AM
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I find it humorous that you continue to do things that you feel are wrong, realize they make you feel guilty, and then do them again. [/ QUOTE ] Are you a cyborg? Because this VERY MUCH a part of being human.
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#24
05-22-2005, 12:06 AM
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well i havent had veal in years. i certainly dont eat it regularly. its not like i will never have veal again for the rest of my life, but i may decide to never eat it again if only for being called a hypocrite as if something is wrong with that.
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05-22-2005, 12:29 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] Do you think the scenario where a predator cares for the prey when another predator (of the same species as the other predator) kills it is possible? [/ QUOTE ] My sister has a cat and it takes very good care of our African Grey and Amazon Redlord. My dog einstein has no problem getting along with our cat. I have a buddy that owned some wolves. They were not only very protective of the owner, but protected the owners livestock from other wolves. Is that good enough? [/ QUOTE ] I consider these to be domesticated animals, not wild ones. The wolves bit is interesting, were these once wild or born and raised of a domestic breed? You are also feeding your cats/dogs, they are not forced to hunt for food. I am not sure how your buddy is raising his wolves, but I suspect they would be eating his livestock if he weren't feeding them...and he is probably feeding them livestock that has been butchered. Funny world we live in.
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#26
05-22-2005, 12:30 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
I think it hurts their pocketbook but I don't know if I'd call that pain.
-Michael
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#27
05-22-2005, 12:31 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] I find it humorous that you continue to do things that you feel are wrong, realize they make you feel guilty, and then do them again. [/ QUOTE ] Are you a cyborg? Because this VERY MUCH a part of being human. [/ QUOTE ] An AI cyborg actually. Generally, I do something, feel bad, learn from my mistakes, and move on trying not to duplicate that mistake. I tend not to make a mistake, feel bad, make it again, feel bad again, make it again, feel bad again, make it again, feel bad again...you get the point.
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#29
05-22-2005, 12:32 AM
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[ QUOTE ] I find it humorous that you continue to do things that you feel are wrong, realize they make you feel guilty, and then do them again. [/ QUOTE ] Are you a cyborg? Because this VERY MUCH a part of being human. [/ QUOTE ] You beat me to the punch. The process AviD describes is what goes on in any type of self-hate. Exceedingly common. One of the many places you can find it is in any kind of compulsion. regards, raisins
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#30
05-22-2005, 12:39 AM
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Re: Do Fish Feel Pain? Who Cares?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I find it humorous that you continue to do things that you feel are wrong, realize they make you feel guilty, and then do them again. [/ QUOTE ] Are you a cyborg? Because this VERY MUCH a part of being human. [/ QUOTE ] You beat me to the punch. The process AviD describes is what goes on in any type of self-hate. Exceedingly common. One of the many places you can find it is in any kind of compulsion. regards, raisins [/ QUOTE ] Care to elaborate? Why is it "self-hate" or "compulsive" to recognize a mistake or something that creates negative feelings for you and not do it again? For example, you see fire for the first time, go to touch its attractive red, orange glow and get burned. Next time you see it, are you eager to try and touch it again? I don't find this to be compulsive action, I consider this learning and applying.
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