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Old 10-21-2005, 05:55 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default i fastplay acesup

from one of my 30/60 videos

BB is 30/7/1.2

i openraise in the CO with A9

Flop is A94r

BB bets, i raise instead of waiting till the turn hoping to induce action from another ace.


how bad/reasonable/awful/terrible/awesome is this?
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:00 PM
kidcolin kidcolin is offline
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

I like it. Some ace hands will 3-bet you, some will c/r you on the turn. If he's donking he might not bet the turn anyway, since he can expect a raise from a large range of hands (aces for value, some PPs for free showdown/value).
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:00 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

I like. Also this line is more likely to get call downs from a pair of 9s or 4s. Additionally ,a lot of times they check the turn in fright.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

Unless you expect him to bet into you again on the turn after you raise the flop, I like waiting for the turn to raise. I don't think a pair of aces<AQ will 3-bet or check-raise, if that. Also, he could be bluffing and you gain an extra bet by waiting the times he continues his bluff on the turn.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:02 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

If he checkraises you I would like waiting till turn because now it is almost definite he will bet turn, plus you get one more BB from a bluff.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

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Unless you expect him to bet into you again on the turn after you raise the flop, I like waiting for the turn to raise. I don't think a pair of aces<AQ will 3-bet or check-raise, if that. Also, he could be bluffing and you gain an extra bet by waiting the times he continues his bluff on the turn.

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i picked this hand out of one of tstone's video because i told him i thought he should have called the flop in preparation for a turn raise. i still think this is probably correct unless the villian has Ax.

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Old 10-21-2005, 06:09 PM
B Dids B Dids is offline
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

This is one of those spots where PT numbers probably don't tell you nearly enough and knowing how he'll play TPGK and TPNK does (tell you nearly enough, or like... more than enough).

I think waiting till the turn here is a good default without more information.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:11 PM
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I think waiting till the turn here is a good default without more information.

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Old 10-21-2005, 06:14 PM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default Re: i fastplay acesup

ok guys, i see i messed this one up bad. once baronzeus says "call" you know that raising cant possibly be right.
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Old 10-21-2005, 06:16 PM
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ok guys, i see i messed this one up bad.

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It's not that bad, it's just suboptimal.
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