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[J_V]

I think a middle pair is a very viable hand for here here. Thus i bet the river. Maybe putting her on a small pair after checking the turn is wrong. Hard to put her on a flush draw though.

[TheBusiness]

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I was planning to checkraise the turn. 4 betting the flop and leading the turn is clearly better. And if called maybe check-raising the river.

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It is easy to tell from your flop line that you were planning a turn check-raise. My point was simply that her flop 3-bet in this particular situation very clearly means to me that she wants to check behind on the turn. In retrospect that is obvious to anyone, but you are definitely a good enough player that you should have known it during the hand (maybe you did know it subconsciously and just chose to ignore it). Because you knew or should have known she would check behind on the turn once she 3-bet the flop, the correct play very obviously becomes to 4-bet the flop and lead the turn. Even if there is a small chance she wasn't going to check the turn, by going for the flop call and turn checkraise you are going to miss 1.5 BBs a huge percentage of the time, and you are only going to gain .5 BB a small percentage of the time when the turn checkraise does work. So I think it is clear what should have been done.

[HiatusOver]

"I think a middle pair is a very viable hand for her here. Thus i bet the river"

If for some reason u knew for sure she had a middle pair then checkraising is the right play by a wide margin.

[SA125]

You described yourself as a tight blind. I think calling the 3 bet and donking the turn would by far draw more action from a weaker hand than 4 betting and leading out would.

When a tight blind c/r's, calls a 3 bet and donks, his hand isn't defined. When he 4 bets and leads there, he's much more likely to have a Q than a draw or PP. She wouldn't think that?

[J.A.Sucker]

I think that CO played the hand well, on all streets.

The call on the river is clear with tough players.

I don't like the way JV played the hand. I would have 4 bet and led the turn. Then bet or checkraise the river if you think Mimi will bet a bust-out and depending on her calling hands (will she call with a busted nut flush draw).

[J.A.Sucker]

Wow, I can't agree with you here, Paluka. Why is this a fold preflop? I'm a nit, for sure, and I'm stealing with K3s here, especially against tight blinds. I'm also playing the hand the way she did, all the way. She gets a free card when she knows she's beaten and then has a crying call on the end.

What kind of hands do you think Mimi will play this way? I think it's any decent A and any pair. If she has a pair, you let her off the hook too easy with JV's line. Not 4 betting and leading the turn may be good if you think she'll fold if you do jam it, but I don't find that happening very often (if it does, then you've got a ripe opponent, BTW).

[Paluka]

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I think that CO played the hand well, on all streets.

The call on the river is clear with tough players.

I don't like the way JV played the hand. I would have 4 bet and led the turn. Then bet or checkraise the river if you think Mimi will bet a bust-out and depending on her calling hands (will she call with a busted nut flush draw).

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Why do you like the call on the river? What hand do you think the big blind checkraised the flop with and then bet the river? A busted flush draw seems like the only hand to me that would bet this river that you have beat. Ace high won't bet the river.

[Paluka]

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Wow, I can't agree with you here, Paluka. Why is this a fold preflop? I'm a nit, for sure, and I'm stealing with K3s here, especially against tight blinds. I'm also playing the hand the way she did, all the way. She gets a free card when she knows she's beaten and then has a crying call on the end.

What kind of hands do you think Mimi will play this way? I think it's any decent A and any pair. If she has a pair, you let her off the hook too easy with JV's line. Not 4 betting and leading the turn may be good if you think she'll fold if you do jam it, but I don't find that happening very often (if it does, then you've got a ripe opponent, BTW).

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When the blinds were described as tight, the game was also called tough. I took this to mean "the blinds are tight-aggresive players who play well" not "the blinds are tight players who fold too much in the blinds". In games like this, the button probably 3 bets you aggressively as well. I just think that K3s is not quite a strong enough hand to open with. I don't like playing shorthanded pots with 2s and 3s in my hand, either. If you assured me the blinds were "tight rocks" rather than "tight aggressive" then I could see the preflop raise being +EV.

[J.A.Sucker]

Like I said the river is a crying call, but I think a flush draw is common enough that it's at least close enough to not matter, but I actuall think it's better than that. It's always good for the image to not fold here, too, especially against tough players. I don't like Jam n' Fold poker and I suppose Mimi doesn't either.

[J.A.Sucker]

I hear you here too, but I guess I don't play many hands, so I tend to get some extra respect here. This is a clear steal from me, but I really am a nit most of the time. I'm not going to marry myself to the hand either, so won't be in too much trouble as long as the thing isn't capped back to me, I'm OK, especially if I get 3 bet from one of the blinds and not the button.