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Re: SB folded n/m
What range of hands would you put on pandora..
AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55 think of any others that are reasonable? |
#2
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Re: SB folded n/m
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What range of hands would you put on pandora.. AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55 think of any others that are reasonable? [/ QUOTE ] Ah6h and KhQh come to mind. AhKh probably isn't limping preflop, but either of the others might. |
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Re: SB folded n/m
Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin.
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Re: SB folded n/m
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Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin. [/ QUOTE ] I can't give credit to SB for a big hand, so I'm not worried about him. I agree that Hero's fourth bet is a bright neon sign of massive strength. But I still wrestle with the notion that you're quite likely to be ahead against Villain's reasonable range. Such a range for an aggressive player (see the KJ example above) might be AhKh, AhQh, AhTh, KhQh, Ah6h, AJ, AA-JJ, 55, 66, 65: in that spot, you're 63:36 in pot equity terms. There's 600 in the middle, you're facing a 480 bet, and pertinent players each have 2900 behind. As I think about it more, I think I like a call better, with the intention of betting a non-heart turn. |
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Re: SB folded n/m
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[ QUOTE ] Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin. [/ QUOTE ] I can't give credit to SB for a big hand, so I'm not worried about him. I agree that Hero's fourth bet is a bright neon sign of massive strength. But I still wrestle with the notion that you're quite likely to be ahead against Villain's reasonable range. Such a range for an aggressive player (see the KJ example above) might be AhKh, AhQh, AhTh, KhQh, Ah6h, AJ, AA-JJ, 55, 66, 65: in that spot, you're 63:36 in pot equity terms. There's 600 in the middle, you're facing a 480 bet, and pertinent players each have 2900 behind. As I think about it more, I think I like a call better, with the intention of betting a non-heart turn. [/ QUOTE ] My guess is that given the (reasonable) hand range above, hero is now ahead in pot equity terms after a blank turn. Also, are you accounting for the fact that there are fewer possible comboes of 56, 55, and 66 because of hero's holding? |
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Re: SB folded n/m
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Also, are you accounting for the fact that there are fewer possible comboes of 56, 55, and 66 because of hero's holding? [/ QUOTE ] Sheesh, I hope to hell so. I'm using Andrew Prock's PokerStove software: you could knock me over with a feather if it doesn't take account of opponents' cards. This spot is an example of the old win-a-small-one-lose-a-big-one situation, obv. |
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Re: SB folded n/m
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What range of hands would you put on pandora.. AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55 think of any others that are reasonable? [/ QUOTE ] lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible. I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down. |
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Re: SB folded n/m
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[ QUOTE ] What range of hands would you put on pandora.. AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55 think of any others that are reasonable? [/ QUOTE ] lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible. I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down. [/ QUOTE ] 10/20 is many, many, many times more aggressive than the 1k game. 5/10 is pretty tight and ABC. If you got similar action to this at the 1k you are crushed. Your line is also pretty appalling. |
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Re: SB folded n/m
Aren't AA and KK extremely likely hands here?? How are they less likely than 55 or 66 or JJ. Yeti I really dont get this and I respect your opinion, please help me out here.
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Re: SB folded n/m
Not to mention there is only one case of 55 and 66, 3 cases of JJ, but 6 each of AA and KK. I know AA and KK dont always limp here, but does 55 and 66? I know JJ doesnt always. AJ isnt in the discussion either?
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