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Old 05-11-2004, 12:15 AM
sweetzer sweetzer is offline
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Party 15-30, I'm UTG with JJ, suits not important.

I raise, a solid UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

4 to flop for 10 small bets.

Flop: TT3, I bet, UTG+2 raises, MP2 folds, CO calls, I call.
3 to turn for 8 large bets.

Turn is a blank. I bet, UTG+2 raises, CO folds, I fold. Would anyone call this turn raise? Or reraise the flop?
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Old 05-11-2004, 01:22 AM
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I think UTG+2 has a medium pocket pair, maybe 77, 88 .. most players will not raise the flop with a T. I'd consider check-raising the turn and folding to a 3-bet or just calling it down. I think UTG+2 puts you on overcards and is trying to get you to fold.
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Old 05-11-2004, 01:31 AM
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What does a solid player cold call an UTG raiser with? Sounds like he may not be so solid after all. Either way, I do believe you folded the best hand. Call his turn raise, and lead out again on the river since he might check behind his lower pair after you call the turn, but will likely call a bet.

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Old 05-11-2004, 03:16 AM
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I find it hard to believe that they aren't eating you alive.
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Old 05-11-2004, 04:43 AM
DocHollyday DocHollyday is offline
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What does a solid player cold call an UTG raiser with?

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How about TT,AKs,AQs,AJs,JJ?
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Old 05-11-2004, 05:49 AM
Mikey Mikey is offline
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Default Re: stop, go, and gone

Come on Clarky what do you mean by this? This is twice he's met resistance, are you advocating calling this one down.

On the flop he bets out and is raised, the guy behind him cold calls.

On the turn he bets out and the it is raised again by the same person who if he didn't have a 10 would have to be worried that the guy behind him has one. Therfore it is more likely that the raiser does have a 10. Hence this fold being correct.

Maybe there is a better way to play it. ??
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Old 05-11-2004, 06:10 AM
BreakEvenPlayer BreakEvenPlayer is offline
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Default Re: stop, go, and gone

Check-raise the turn, call down until the end if he three bets. The dude's not raising a ten on the flop and knocking out other potential overcalls.
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Old 05-11-2004, 06:17 AM
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I see the showdown here 100% of the time.

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Old 05-11-2004, 06:44 AM
Al_Capone_Junior Al_Capone_Junior is offline
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The dude's not raising a ten on the flop and knocking out other potential overcalls.

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I agree with this sentiment. the raiser probably has no ten. The question is, what DOES he have. He cold called a raise preflop, then raises this flop. Smells of a pair to me. I would think that he'd reraise preflop with a bigger pair than JJ, therefore the Jacks in the bettor's hand are probably the best out of those two players.

My guess is that this is why Clarkmeister figures he'd get eaten alive, laying down here, but c'mon Clark, specify! Slacker! (pot calling the kettle black here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

The cold caller behind on the flop worries me. If he also cold called the turn raise, NOW I'd be worried about the ten. If it wound up heads up tho with the flop raiser, I'd call him down.

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Old 05-11-2004, 08:07 AM
Little Fishy Little Fishy is offline
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A lot of players will raise a bet on the flop when a blank hits with overcards. I'd put the raiser on maybe an AKo AQ KQ or maybe even AJ. I from fourth on I would check call the raiser down unless you believe your bet being raised will force out the flop caller and increase your odds of winning. I definitly think you should see this one to the end. If an over card hits on the river be prepared to fold, but if you get lucky and spike a J or even trip T's on board then check raise his butt on the end.
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