AK river checkraise

Steve Giufre · #1 10-19-2004, 11:06 PM

Opponent in this hand is a little on the aggo side, his number is about 1.7, which is a little high for those of you who dont play online. He also looks at a few too many flops but can play a little.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.66 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.83 BB
Main Pot: 10.83 BB, between Hero and CO.

Michael Davis · #2 10-19-2004, 11:24 PM

Yes, this is great, especially given the player description.

-Michael

GolfPokerGuy · #3 10-20-2004, 01:52 AM

Is there a reason you waited until the river to re-pop him? I think the standard line would be to CR the turn and lead the river, unless this opponent would recognize this play as signifying extreme strength and muck a weak ace or KQ or something.

You must have figured there was very little chance he would check behind you on the river. That would be disastrous.

Against this type of player, one line I sometimes take that seems to work well is to 3-bet the flop, and then CR the turn. LAGs almost always bet the turn heads-up when checked to.

Steve Giufre · #4 10-20-2004, 02:12 AM

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Is there a reason you waited until the river to re-pop him? I think the standard line would be to CR the turn and lead the river, unless this opponent would recognize this play as signifying extreme strength and muck a weak ace or KQ or something.

You must have figured there was very little chance he would check behind you on the river. That would be disastrous.

Against this type of player, one line I sometimes take that seems to work well is to 3-bet the flop, and then CR the turn. LAGs almost always bet the turn heads-up when checked to.

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I would usually probably just three bet it on the flop and lead the turn the river. I was pretty certain he had an ace, but he was the type of player who might be able to get away from something marginal if I put a lot pressure on him early. I agree him checking behind on the river would be awful, but I dont he is the type to check an ace behind on the end. I also may save a bet when I'm behind by waiting until the river. I probably get three bet by aces up real quick on the turn if I check raise. That being said, I usually dont wait in this spot, it just seemed right with his preflop cold call and flop raise. It looks a lot like AJ or A10, and by waiting till the river he cant three bet me with A9, A8, and might even get shy with AQ since the straight just got there and I'm showing a lot of strength. I think playing it fast on the flop or CR the turn are both reasonable options like you said, and I'd normally be more likely to play one of those two ways, especially without any player info.

andyfox · #5 10-20-2004, 02:21 AM

"by waiting till the river he cant three bet me with A9, A8, and might even get shy with AQ since the straight just got there"

Didn't your most likely straight get there on the turn?

I'd rather have bet out on the turn. By checking and calling I feel like I don't have as good an idea of where he is.

Steve Giufre · #6 10-20-2004, 02:27 AM

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Didn't your most likely straight get there on the turn?

I'd rather have bet out on the turn. By checking and calling I feel like I don't have as good an idea of where he is.

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Yeah your right, for some reason I was thinking J10 got there on the end. Anyhow I dont really think he is gonna give me that hand anyway, although maybe it will be an after thought for him if he thinks about three betting two pair. I agree I probably get more info about his hand by leading the turn, although I'm not folding to a raise anyway, not online at least. I cant decide if I played this one right or not.

elindauer · #7 10-20-2004, 03:00 AM

Hi Steve,

Your life will be much easier if you just 3-bet and fire all the way. However, poker is a lot more fun when you try to eeke out that little something extra against the right opponent, and this is a good spot to try.

You're thinking about this hand well. The risk of a check behind on the turn or river is probably not worth it normally, so this isn't the default play. But this guy's aggressive, so you've chosen the right guy to make this "move" on. Also, you're absolutely right that a river check-raise will often cause two pair hands to just call, while a turn check-raise may not. Is this enough to make it right to wait for the river? Probably not. But it's not a bad play by any means and let's the people at the table that are paying attention know that you're tricky and aggressive and they might just want to get out of your way whenever possible. It says, I'm dangerous. You'll have trouble reading me. You'll make mistakes. Go away. It's the kind of play that makes players play passively. All good things.

Good luck.
Eric

Nightwish · #8 10-20-2004, 03:41 AM

My standard line in this situation would be to call his flop riase and check-raise the turn. I don't want to run the risk of him checking behind on the river with his weak A or Q, and there's much less chance of him doing that on the turn.

JasonP530 · #9 10-20-2004, 08:34 PM

Elindauer made a great point. This guy must think he is ahead, and when he gets checkraise on the river by a hand that had him the whole time and knew it, it relaly hits him in the gut. If he is any type of player, he will not be looking to get involved in further pots with you for the rest of the session. Getting people to back off you and not bluff raise, semibluff raise, and call with marginal hands has huge value that can not be measured in this one hand. It will be obvious that you own him, so much so that you could deviate from the normal checkraise the turn line that most people would use in that spot.

andyfox · #10 10-21-2004, 01:47 AM

The on-line game has got to be way different than the live game I play in, because no way I get called by a worse hand if I check-raise the river here in my game.