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Old 12-30-2005, 10:48 PM
pokerjoker pokerjoker is offline
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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:37 PM
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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:01 AM
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why push that river? waiting for the turn card is a good move IMO.
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:09 AM
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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity

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Thanks for the lesson. I never understood this before, but I do now.

Basically pot any non scary turn and if he plays back you can be pretty sure ur behind. If a scare card comes you can get away for $44 instead of a potential $350.

Right?
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:01 PM
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If a scare card comes you can get away for $44 instead of a potential $350.

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yeah that's be my plan. check/fold turn, if he checks behind I check river and ponder a call if the board is paired
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:40 AM
wdeadwyler wdeadwyler is offline
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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity

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Doesnt the equity of a set INCREASE on a blank ("safe?" turn.
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Old 12-31-2005, 08:18 AM
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Doesnt the equity of a set INCREASE on a blank ("safe?" turn.

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against a draw yes, against a made straight no
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