Post flop profit maximization. (Flush draw comes through)

[Victor]

i fold preflop but i never hit flushes.

i would usually bet the river here unless i was positive that someone would bet (obvioulsy). so if villain is aggressive and a fearless value better then this is a pretty good play.

[Joe Tall]

Bet the flop, look at your position compared to the preflop raiser

What?!?! Why? Want to shut others out? Don't like money? Like calling raises with only a draw? Forgot the definition of a semi-bluff?

Please, somebody give me a damn good reason.

Thanks,
Joe Tall

[arkady]

I like it G, i do. I dont like Josh's idea of leading the flop because a raise will isolate and be counter productive. For everyone suggesting to bet the flop into the raise, I will remind u that Bunky's hand has NO showdown value. None. The really interesting discussion is an overcall vs. a raise on the river.

Well the way I see it...you are guaranteed to get a call from a Q, CO most likely has it. So that is +1bb for sure.

UTG really looks like he is on a str8 draw and will not call 2 cold with anything worse, if he is on a busted draw he wont call even 1. He might pay off w/a J. So lets say he calls 1 bet 30% of the time, but 2 about 2% or in other words never.

MP, I have no idea what the hell he has. Or what that OOP river bet means, but I assume he is testing his J and will pay off to a raise a good portion of the time.

So if you raise, you will get an extra +2BB. If you call you will get an extra +1 bb 30% of the time.

Its a clear raise.

[helpmeout]

How will leading the flop isolate? You have 2 people to act after you before the preflop raiser bets.

The board is very drawy many people will hit that board and call 2 bets.

Being afraid of isolation is truely weak poker, 5/10 players arent folding hands like KJ KT AJ etc in this big pot.

You have a big draw in a big pot you want to bump it up.

[Joe Tall]

5/10 players arent folding hands like KJ KT AJ etc in this big pot.

They why fck bet? Afraid to give a free card? *cough* sarcasm *cough*

[arkady]

What guarantees do you have that they will even call Bunky's bet. Just because MP raised preflop does not mean he will be doing the isolating either. Someone right after Bunky can raise and get it HU. Awesome.

[helpmeout]

You have 2 people trapped between you and the PFR, your position is much better to bet and call a raise rather than checkraise.

You know people are going to call another bet when it comes back to them.

There is of course a chance for the PFR not to bet, it is 5 handed. If he has a hand like 88 99 TT AK he will more likely check it through.

[Joe Tall]

You have 2 people trapped between you and the PFR, your position is much better to bet and call a raise rather than checkraise.

Who fck is the moron who said check raise?

[arkady]

Why are you looking at it as something versus check-raising. What is wrong with calling. You have 30% equity against a viable range of hands given the preflop action and you need callers and your line might shut them out. Who said c/r?

[helpmeout]

Why would you only want people calling one bet when they will call 2?

Whats with the potty mouth as well...