AKo versus the McLag Brothers

mmbt0ne · #1 10-27-2004, 12:45 PM

UTG+2 and MP2 are uber-lags who seem to know each other, and are having a pissing contest as to who can take down the most pots. Both have VP$IP over 60, and PFR over 20.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (20 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 raises, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero caps, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Don't tell me about this call being a bad play, I clicked the wrong button. Luckily it got capped for me anyways.

River: (28.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

At this point he hasn't slowed down either, so I decided that even a LAG can have a hand sometimes. If I was in the later position, I would've raised and called a 3-bet, but from here, I don't want to see the river capped.

Final Pot: 32.50 BB

Svenungson · #2 10-27-2004, 01:17 PM

Im kind of new to this forum and i am wondering, why not include the results of the hand as well? Maybe in white so people can think about it for a while before checking it out?
Regarding the play, i would have tried to cap at the end as well. Reading these kind of people is impossible so he might just have had A2s or some other bizarre hand.

Entity · #3 10-27-2004, 01:31 PM

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Im kind of new to this forum and i am wondering, why not include the results of the hand as well? Maybe in white so people can think about it for a while before checking it out?
Regarding the play, i would have tried to cap at the end as well. Reading these kind of people is impossible so he might just have had A2s or some other bizarre hand.

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Welcome to the forum. The reason we generally discourage putting results in out posts is they can color the advice given; knowing that he was up against A2s, we might tend to tell him to cap the river more often.

I think you played this as well as you could. Sweet river bet as well. I think your AK is ahead here more than 55% of the time, and if you lost to JT/KK/QQ/66(??), that sucks, but you'll get it back.

Rob

Klak · #4 10-27-2004, 01:33 PM

results arent posted so that it wont influence what the responses are. if you posted the result as being that someone had a set here, half of the responses would say something like "slow down on the turn becasue he looks like he made a set."

about this hand, good play with your reads. id 3 bet the river.

Blindfolk · #5 10-27-2004, 01:39 PM

I do the same based on your read. Most of the time, they're not going to have you beaten.

radek2166 · #6 10-27-2004, 01:42 PM

U sure u were not playing aggainst Entity and I?

We do that when we play together. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

wabe · #7 10-27-2004, 01:54 PM

Based on your reads, this looks like a good play.

Did you chop the pot?

jrz1972 · #8 10-27-2004, 02:00 PM

If these players are as lag as you say they are, I would go ahead and 3-bet the river, but I agree that it's close.

srt19170 · #9 10-27-2004, 03:11 PM

A key question here is how Laggy these guys are post-flop. I see a lot of maniacs with VP$IP at 70% who play tight post-flop. Maybe you can't put them on a high pocket pair pre-flop, but they're both capping an AKx flop so you might want to remember the motto "Even maniacs get good cards sometimes."

On the other hand, you've got top two pair and a big pot, so it's probably +EV to stay till the end.

-- Scott

mmbt0ne · #10 10-27-2004, 04:36 PM

Thanks for the help. MP2 was a little tighter post-flop, but not much. UTG+2 was the better post-flop player of the two, and actually said he folded Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, so he was just pumping his draw. Either way, villian turns over AQo, and MHIG.