Calling down the fish

fyodor · #1 11-08-2005, 02:51 AM

Villian is just a bad, loose fish but I only have nines. Should I be calling or folding somewhere?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB folds, Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Drontier · #2 11-08-2005, 02:56 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Villian is just a bad, loose fish but I only have nines. Should I be calling or folding somewhere?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB folds, Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

[/ QUOTE ]if this is the usual passive fish, then yes you can find a fold somewhere easy. but if you say hes loose bad but and overly aggressive(so hes not the normal fish) then 3 bet pf.

JimmyJazz1 · #3 11-08-2005, 02:56 AM

Looks, good. Folding would be very bad on flop or turn. The river isn't the best card you could hope for, but the pot is big enough to call.

jt1 · #4 11-08-2005, 03:00 AM

I think you can raise this preflop. and bet until the river, check calling it unless a diamond comes.

crappy hand

fyodor · #5 11-08-2005, 03:15 AM

Yes this guy will keep betting with nothing once he has started. I figure if I show aggression and he does have nothing he just folds. So I end up in these call down modes hoping I am ahead and he never improves.

TazQ · #6 11-08-2005, 03:17 AM

This hand is yucky.

If you're calling down at least CR flop/bet turn and give yourself a chance to do something and fold vs more resistance.

edit - i assumed he was loose passive or weak, also this doesn't mean i actually like this line vs specified opponent, i just think it's better than investing 2.5 BBs in calling down, at least with cr + bet you can fold better hands for 2 bb and easily get out vs more action. vs lag i think you just call down if you're determined to see showdown, donk betting anywhere is bad mojo.

fyodor · #7 11-08-2005, 03:40 AM

He had KJo and mhig. Now that you know he is willing to play something like that this way does my play look better? Or should I be raising him out somewhere anyhow?

TazQ · #8 11-08-2005, 03:43 AM

calling down is standard vs bad lag, the fact that the ace paired makes your hand look even better

i hate putting any bets in here out of position, you're just asking to get outplayed or putting 3 bb to see showdown vs a better hand so i give him a "cheaper" shot at hitting his draw or 6 outer and live with it and i really really really don't want to be cring the turn here if he is going to bet missed overs or flush draw any decent % of the time on the river. if you know he is a lag i like the suggestion of 3-betting preflop also, i'd probably start calling around the 55/66 mark.

fyodor · #9 11-08-2005, 03:50 AM

Yeah I think 3 betting pf and then leading out on the flop is better than cr the flop. I just know he is also capable of 3 betting the flop and then wtf do I do with my nines? They hit the muck and I just threw away the best hand to a lag. If they don't hit the muck and instead I go into call down then I probably should have taken the cheaper call down mode like I did in the actual hand.

OP vs LAG = sucks big time

ArturiusX · #10 11-08-2005, 03:53 AM

If he's bad, I like it, if he's decent, I can find a turn fold here.