Where do you feel your overlay is best?

[J-Lo]

i voted 4, with the assumption that they are tight post flop too.... Pickin' up chips early gives u a HUGE advantage in a higher buyin tourney, because everyone knows how to push, and if the person to your left or right bust... well-- there goes that overlay.

[stupidsucker]

These polls would be better if there were no discussion until after the results were in, but since everyone is doing it...

<font color="white"> The first answer I would assume most would pick is #1.(if they don't read the thread and cheat.) All the time we talk about this, but if you want to get technical... This is seat selection, not table selection. I would chose #2 over #1 anyways because most people to my left are going to be tight reguardless. Besides. It is just 1 player we are talking about right? If that 1 player gets aces cracked the entire selection process is destroyed.

#3 could be awesome if you are able to take advantage of them early. They may be LaG with control and that can be brutal no matter what the level. #4 can go both ways as well. 18% overall is really vague if you ask me. Just isnt really enough info to go on. So I chose #3. </font>

[Isura]

I'd choose 2.

[Irieguy]

This question was asking for opinions, so there's not really an answer.

But table 4 is the most profitable, and it's not even close.

Most players see too many flops, but the ones that don't see enough flops are typically very easy to play against. They also tend to fold too often when pushed at, and not push enough. So by picking #4, you actually get #1 and #2 also.

We all fancy ourselves as players who are appropriately tight, but know when to push and fold when the blinds are big. But most tight players don't play this way. Also, most 2+2ers are too weak-tight before level 4 and it would be very easy to acquire chips in the early levels against an entire table of 2+2ers.

In a SNG, you will only see 60-80 hands or so. That means that you rate to not ever see AA or KK, and you rate to not see a flop and make a hand better than 2 pair. You get your chips by having opponents fold, and winning your fair share when they don't. A SNG against 9 tight opponents would be the easiest to beat.

Irieguy

PS- Raptor got it right and then told me that he has never been wrong in any thread ever. Feel free to discuss that if you'd like.

[schwza]

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All 9 players see less than 18% of flops

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can someone w/ PT post their flop % seen and their vpip? because i don't think 18% is very tight at all. in the beginning you're supposed to be tight and later you're stealing blinds most pots you play.

[raptor517]

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PS- Raptor got it right and then told me that he has never been wrong in any thread ever. Feel free to discuss that if you'd like.

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i got it right because the question isnt that hard. then u made me change it so people could vote. oh, and yer a tool. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

[pooh74]

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PS- Raptor got it right and then told me that he has never been wrong in any thread ever. Feel free to discuss that if you'd like.

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i got it right because the question isnt that hard. then u made me change it so people could vote. oh, and yer a tool. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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I dont see how easy this question is given its vagueness. Irie said it was a matter of opinion but then said the answer was "clear cut"? Seeing flops 18% of the time doesnt mean much by itself. If its 18%, and passive thereafter, then that's one thing. But if these tighties are super TAG, then I don't know how advantageous this is. Especially if when most of their action will come later at higher blinds.

But I am willing to see how this could be correct.

[raptor517]

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PS- Raptor got it right and then told me that he has never been wrong in any thread ever. Feel free to discuss that if you'd like.

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i got it right because the question isnt that hard. then u made me change it so people could vote. oh, and yer a tool. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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I dont see how easy this question is given its vagueness. Irie said it was a matter of opinion but then said the answer was "clear cut"? Seeing flops 18% of the time doesnt mean much by itself. If its 18%, and passive thereafter, then that's one thing. But if these tighties are super TAG, then I don't know how advantageous this is. Especially if when most of their action will come later at higher blinds.

But I am willing to see how this could be correct.

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if ALL 9 players at the table other than you see less than 18% of the flops, you are in for a real treat. you will be able to accumulate a sick amount of chips up until level 4, and by the time u get there, you will have whittled everyone down to around 800-850, and you should have a healthy stack.

at this point, assuming everyone is a weak tight player, and seeing less than 18% of flops indicates that a little bit, even if they are just tight agressive, they STILL probably call WAY too tightly in the bb. you will be able to shove with near ease and continue to pick up chips.

sure, some of them will be playing the ideal 2+2 pushbot style, and will be stealing yer blinds in turn, but you are already miles ahead of them, and assuming you play well also, you wont have any problems dealing with them. i much rather have an entire table see less than 18% of flops than ONE person to my left who folds a lot, or ONE person to my right who folds a lot, or 3 maniacs that prevent me from picking up pots early. thats raptors argument.. argue against if u must. holla

[pooh74]

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PS- Raptor got it right and then told me that he has never been wrong in any thread ever. Feel free to discuss that if you'd like.

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i got it right because the question isnt that hard. then u made me change it so people could vote. oh, and yer a tool. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla

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I dont see how easy this question is given its vagueness. Irie said it was a matter of opinion but then said the answer was "clear cut"? Seeing flops 18% of the time doesnt mean much by itself. If its 18%, and passive thereafter, then that's one thing. But if these tighties are super TAG, then I don't know how advantageous this is. Especially if when most of their action will come later at higher blinds.

But I am willing to see how this could be correct.

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if ALL 9 players at the table other than you see less than 18% of the flops, you are in for a real treat. you will be able to accumulate a sick amount of chips up until level 4, and by the time u get there, you will have whittled everyone down to around 800-850, and you should have a healthy stack.

at this point, assuming everyone is a weak tight player, and seeing less than 18% of flops indicates that a little bit, even if they are just tight agressive, they STILL probably call WAY too tightly in the bb. you will be able to shove with near ease and continue to pick up chips.

sure, some of them will be playing the ideal 2+2 pushbot style, and will be stealing yer blinds in turn, but you are already miles ahead of them, and assuming you play well also, you wont have any problems dealing with them. i much rather have an entire table see less than 18% of flops than ONE person to my left who folds a lot, or ONE person to my right who folds a lot, or 3 maniacs that prevent me from picking up pots early. thats raptors argument.. argue against if u must. holla

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I agree that the other answers were no good, bc isolating one player for a question like this is not as good as generalizing about the entire table. I am just trying to think how 18% of "flops seen" could be used optimally to not be as favorable as you say.

I assume flops seen means just that, IOW, If I push your blind and you fold PF, that does not count, correct?

I just think other assumptions are being made about the 18% that, yes, are usually true, but not necessarily.

But I agree that 4 is better, I am convinced. gj

[MegaBet]

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A SNG against 9 tight opponents would be the easiest to read.


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