Live hand vs Justin A

[DeathDonkey]

8/16 at Oceans 11. Both of us are playing a bit loose / wacky but mostly serious. Also I am playing badly, but regardless of that, 2 limpers and I raise Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button. Justin coldcalls in the SB saying "let's get a kill pot" (he won the previous hand) BB folds and the two limpers call.

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] checked to me, I bet, Justin calls, both limpers call.

Turn is T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] checked to me I bet, Justin checkraises, limpers fold, I call.

River is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Justin bets and I call.

-DeathDonkey

[toss]

I don't see much value in a river raise either.

[newhizzle]

i raise/call river, KQ is a possibility, but i want to get my value out of a set

[thesharpie]

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i raise/call river, KQ is a possibility, but i want to get my value out of a set

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There are more ways he can have KQ than a set. I'm guessing he doesn't pay off 2 pair, maybe he would with JTs and he will with 87s. Still not enough to raise.

[newhizzle]

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There are more ways he can have KQ than a set. I'm guessing he doesn't pay off 2 pair, maybe he would with JTs and he will with 87s. Still not enough to raise.

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Both of us are playing a bit loose / wacky but mostly serious.

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i think if their both playing a bit loose and wacky, hes def going to pay off with two pair, under normal conditions, maybe not

Edit: and his hand range will get bigger, especially when hes leg up

[toss]

Does Justin A really think that DD is going to raise with a worse two pair?

[newhizzle]

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Does Justin A really think that DD is going to raise with a worse two pair?

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i guess it depends on wht he means by loose and wacky, but probly not

[PatJ]

I feel like a farmer watching clouds of locusts descend over his crops...

But considering how the table was playing and that the hand was pretty much just the two of you woudn't justin's range of hands for the turn c/r and the river bet be considerably larger than normal?

[nfscreech]

Why would Justin blast away the field on the turn if he had KQ?

Raise the river.

[gaming_mouse]

especially if he knows you're playing loose/wacky, there are alot of hands you beat that he'll call with. KQ seems very unlikely to me given his turn raise, so there's not much danger in a raise either.